US Politics, June 2020 — You have to dominate.

btw 538 got shit on a lot in 2016 but I feel like they were one of the only aggregators that actually treated Trump like a normal R candidate (after the first few GOP primaries at least) and they were sounding the alarm pretty loudly about Trump losing the popular vote but still winning the EC, which a lotta people didn't pick up on because Trump was constantly insisting the opposite would happen

i don't think trump reads 538

it would be interesting to hear his opinions on polls-plus vs nowcast, it's true

if you want to hate-read the election results thread for some analysis of how wrong 538 was in real-time, please be my guest. They were still propping up Hillary hopefuls well into the evening after the dread had already set in from pretty much every other data-driven outlet.

How is bottle rocket problematic (real q)

btw 538 got shit on a lot in 2016 but I feel like they were one of the only aggregators that actually treated Trump like a normal R candidate (after the first few GOP primaries at least) and they were sounding the alarm pretty loudly about Trump losing the popular vote but still winning the EC, which a lotta people didn't pick up on because Trump was constantly insisting the opposite would happen

― frogbs, Sunday, June 28, 2020 11:32 PM bookmarkflaglink

I was one of those naysayers :(

i thought 538 gave trump 30% chance of winning, the night before?

ttt (chances of trump winning)
ccccccc (chances of clinton winning)

randomly pick one. whoa it was t! 538 are idiots!

he did. he was always the most cautioned re: Clinton, as NYT had 85%, and...well we all remember what Sam Wang did.

My opponent pulled a gun on his first wife & shot it, pressured her and a mistress into three abortions, & illegally prescribed pills to a patient he was sleeping with.

Me? I didn't do any of that.

I'll give you health care though.

Chip in right away. https://t.co/2QPqJ83j9k

— Christopher J. Hale (@chrisjollyhale) June 28, 2020

if you want to hate-read the election results thread for some analysis of how wrong 538 was in real-time, please be my guest. They were still propping up Hillary hopefuls well into the evening after the dread had already set in from pretty much every other data-driven outlet.

― Jersey Al (Albert R. Broccoli), Sunday, June 28, 2020 8:51 PM (forty-three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think their system wasn't set up to respond to realtime results until a state was called, so they didn't change the probability until Hilary lost Florida

that's correct symsymsym, and Nate Silver stated this in the blog itself: https://fivethirtyeight.com/live-blog/2016-election-results-coverage/

Albert, what are you even talking about? I'm reading the election night thread, and Silver's own model had gone to 55% Trump by 10:25 pm ET, and as stated above, that only utilized called states. He'd been pointing out the betting markets were strongly shifting towards Trump long before that and other writers of his were pointing out the vote was much closer than expected.

it jumped around a bit, but every time the Bot spat out new odds after that that favored Clinton, Nate was quick to warn people not to get excited, stating it only included called states, and that many of the not-called States were favoring Trump. by 10:30, he and Harry Enten were starting to get bearish on her chances.

guess I'm not feeling quite masochistic enough to read those threads

this was actually the first time I'd been able to open the 2016 election night thread since the night itself. and now having done it, I will never do it again :/

were there any notable findings? i tried to go back in once but came back coughing a minute or two later

mainly from the site of my own toxic goo on the scene

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"OMG, Trump...President? this can't be fucking happening"

https://i.ibb.co/hKNryZf/109507692-people-panicked-fleeing.jpg

"relax, how much damage can he really cause?

https://i.ibb.co/XtXQTPt/download-2.jpg

4 years pass...

https://i.ibb.co/BCzGBN1/gettyimages-1005970146-e1532808553102.jpg

"sorry I fucking asked"

https://i.ibb.co/yR3nrg1/5xxb02e1ew131.jpg

The polls on election day 2016 showed him with what, a 2% chance of winning? This fucking numbskull is convinced polls are fake news and silent majority wants to tongue bathe his balls for eternity.

― A True White Kid that can Jump (Granny Dainger), Sunday, June 28, 2020 11:12 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

dunno how we get from this to the usual 538 conversation, other than a sincere belief trump reads 538.

How is bottle rocket problematic (real q)

― Its big ball chunky time (Jimmy The Mod Awaits The Return Of His Beloved), Sunday, June 28, 2020 11:55 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

hero is obsessed with stranger, stalks her, etc. gets the girl.

who is also a voiceless woman of colour working in a service role

yup

So not worth checking out then? Or is it good enough to overcome that (I can deal with problematic to a degree)?

if you like Anderson then sure

I mean it's not like his other movies don't have plenty of problematic elements

Yeah. I still like Anderson's work but you pretty much start to just accept that he sees people of color as peripherals within a couple movies.

Fair xp

Yeah Danny Glover in a bit part, then ... one narrator?

CNN’s Van Jones Secretly Helped Craft the Weak Trump Police Reform He Praised on TV

Jones went on CNN’s Inside Politics with John King and Anderson Cooper 360 to enthusiastically commend Trump’s executive order—even as it was being criticized as cynical and unproductive by the NAACP Legal Defense Fund and “delusional” by the Color of Change, an influential racial justice organization that Jones himself co-founded in 2005.

CNN viewers weren’t informed that he had actually attended secret White House meetings with his new friend Jared Kushner, discussing ways to frame the presidential project.

According to a knowledgeable White House source, who expressed satisfaction that there were zero leaks, Jones and California human rights attorney Jessica Jackson, who runs #cut50, a prison-reform group that Jones also founded, actively participated with law enforcement officials and White House staffers to help fashion the order and guide the politics of the discussion to what they considered “the sweet spot” between law enforcement and “the reasonable middle” and “the reasonable left.”

Skyping from his Los Angeles home, with a biography of Nelson Mandela and a Black Panther graphic novel visible on the bookshelf behind him, Jones told viewers of CNN’s noon show Inside Politics: “The executive order is a good thing, mainly because you saw the support of law enforcement there... There is movement in the direction of a database for bad cops. We have never had a federal database for bad cops, that’s why all these cops go all over the place doing bad stuff… The chokeholds, that’s common ground now between Nancy Pelosi and Trump. Good stuff there.”

Hours later, Jones doubled down on Anderson Cooper 360—again without disclosing his role advising the Trump White House. “What do you make of this executive order?” Cooper asked him.

“I think it’s pushing in the right direction,” Jones told the CNN anchor. “What you got today is, I think, a sign that we are winning,” he added. “Donald Trump has put himself on record saying we need to reform the police department… We are winning! Donald Trump had no plan a month ago to work on this issue at all. The fact that we are now in the direction of moving forward, I think, is good.”

He's an asshole, always has been.

That should be a dealbreaker for a news career.

Of course we live in an era of no shame.

remember when Jones said "Donald Trump became president tonight" or some shit after Trump bombed a base in 2017

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/06/29/iran-issues-arrest-warrant-for-trump-over-killing-of-qasem-soleimani.html

Wanted: DJT, Dead or Alive (I Suppose)

I know, I know, nobody wants to hear anything with the word "Russia" in it, it's so boring and nobody cares and blah blah blah...

Donald Trump can take all his empty words about respecting our service and shove them. #TRE45ON #TraitorTrump pic.twitter.com/7vxGxLBYh0

— VoteVets (@votevets) June 28, 2020

hahaha that ad is hilarious. I hate political ads, they're so fucking over the top.

"intelligence reports on his desk. cheerios all over the floor."

sounds like my wfh situation, only with intelligence reports on the desk

I met the guy who runs VoteVets. It may surprise you that he lives his life cranked up to 11.

you can't really devise a 'virtuous'? -- 'good'? -- US national security strategy when no one living remembers one

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Sunday, June 28, 2020 4:11 PM (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

ding ding ding

morbs otm

I know it would be ethically gross, but if specific victims of these bounties can be pinpointed, it would be political malpractice for Biden not to invite their families as his guests of honor to the first debate.

i don't think the debates are going to happen in the usual audience format

Would be a sea of red hats, crammed shoulder-to-shoulder (provided its was in a smaller sized venue) if they did.

new debate format: debate participants, moderators, and observers should all lock together in a giant rugby-style scrum, slowly shuffling like a broken amoeba with trump and biden in the very center, trying to raise their heads up every once in a while to get air

lmaoooooooo

BREAKING: Reddit bans "The_Donald" forum in a sweeping overhaul of its hate speech and harassment policieshttps://t.co/UQKAbpbMVZ

— rat king (@MikeIsaac) June 29, 2020

Guaranteeing the potency of their self-image as embattled martrys for years to come. Not that there was a better choice though, I don’t think.

i'm still not sure what happens to trump and his troll army (like The_Donald and 8chan) after the election, assuming he loses. they might go in different directions, or the trolls might follow him.

one school of thought is that that trump will be very happy to lose and go away and concentrate on being a bad businessman instead. if that's the case, i suppose his trolls will go follow some other idiot. but i don't see trump voluntarily walking away from tens of thousands of racists that worship him.

it seems more likely to me that that in his post-presidency period he and his followers will settle nicely into their natural role, which is being on the outside of government, throwing bombs in every direction.

Trump's disapproval rating is at 55.6 among RV/LV polls, according to FiveThirtyEight. It's the highest in 2.5 years https://t.co/85ZK8iNafA

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) June 29, 2020

i don't want to fall into the pre-2016 trap of thinking that trump hanging around would be "good" politically for the democrats, but it does seem like if he sticks around and keeps some followers, they are likely to subtract votes from whatever Compassionate Conservative movement emerges from the wreckage. i don't think president nikki haley or whatever will actually be a good person, but they are likely to at least try to make gestures in the direction of not being racist pieces of shit 100% of the time, which would enrage the trolls and elderly white people.

all of that would be a good thing electorally for democrats, but it seems like a bad thing for the country if the only sizable 3rd party-esque movement in years is dedicated to racist trolls

fucking forums only taking action when his numbers tank and the end is in sight. Years of them supporting that bullshit. FB the worst offender, obv

i'm still not sure what happens to trump and his troll army (like The_Donald and 8chan) after the election, assuming he loses. they might go in different directions, or the trolls might follow him.

Paywalled, unfortunately.

Primed by Trump, militias gear up for ‘stolen’ US election

With the president weaponising fears of electoral fraud, armed groups are becoming increasingly paranoidhttps://t.co/6MkrMalOH8

— JJ MacNab (@jjmacnab) June 29, 2020