Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Didn’t we learn last time that many trump voters don’t take part in polls?

the final national polls were within the margin of error and so were most of the state polls. it's just that most of them broke in the same direction, towards Trump, so they probably undersampled Trump voters, yes. I assume most pollsters have adjusted their methodology since then.

who will be our Comey

i don't know why i first thought of neil patrick harris, but i'm sticking with it

Trump was crying on Hannity’s shoulder tonight; it was so pathetic, I seriously think one more week of polls like this and he’ll resign via 3 AM tweet.

hopefully his heart will resign

just saw my first Lincoln Project ad and my god

yeah, they are very nazi lite (with aspartame)

If you want a vision of the Democratic future, imagine a Lincoln Project video reflected in a pair of eyes - forever

yeah, they are very nazi lite (with aspartame)

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:46 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I thought they were just Never Trumpers?

you say tomato

If Never-Trumper Republicans can convince other Republicans not to vote for Trump, then it falls under the trope "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". As long as their efforts remain focused exclusively on dumping Trump their other ideological failings are of little import.

That's how we got al-Qaeda

there's also little reason to do any "business" with Lincoln Project after the election, or even now, since they seem to be doing it of their own volition.

Bad analogy. Never-Trumpers are self-funding, and self-directed. They simply choose to play this role independently. If they have shoulder-fired ground-to-air missiles, they bought them with their own money on the open market. They have not been funded or specifically encouraged by the DNC or Biden campaign.

"self funding"
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cmte=C00725820&cycle=2020

But their funding is irrelevant to the bullshit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Dem leadership want nothing in this life more than to be the party of Bloomberg and the sooner progressives fully understand that and respond accordingly the sooner maybe we won’t all die

the Lincoln Project are Republicans so the "enemy of my enemy" logic doesn't even work here. I'm sure there's some other Art of War bs that applies to infighting among your enemies though

I don't pay the Lincoln Project much mind, comprised as it is by Bush administration satraps, scrapheaps from other GOP organizations, and disenchanted conservatives generally who wish Donald J. Trump acted with the dignity of a Bush, Poppy, Reagan, etc. But, yeah, most of them have been opposed to the Trump White House since the beginning, so, yes, they are enemies of Trump. And he'd consider them enemies.

TLP interests me only insofar as it persuades Republican voters to stay home. I don't even want these people as Democrats.

I just think I/we can have more than one enemy at a time! No need to befriend neocons ffs

I am happy to see Republicans divided and demoralized, that is true. I picked Before the Storm back up this past week and it's been fun reading how badly the GOP primary went (I'm only at New Hampshire though...no spoilers please lol)

TLP interests me only insofar as it persuades Republican voters to stay home. I don't even want these people as Democrats.

Exactly. It's not "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," it's "when your enemy is sinking, throw him an anchor."

I don't think anybody is inviting TLP to our drum circle, just appreciating having someone else for Trump to deal with during his campaign

Republican monsters are part of the Biden Coalition, deal

Dem leadership want nothing in this life more than to be the party of Bloomberg and the sooner progressives fully understand that and respond accordingly the sooner maybe we won’t all die

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will), Friday, June 26, 2020 5:15 AM (two hours ago)

I'm fine with the Lincoln Project if they're able to persuade Republicans not to vote for Trump (and, even better, to vote for Biden). But that doesn't mean they should get a seat at the table to influence policy.

yeah am I missing something in these ads that implies the Democratic party is welcoming their influence on a policy level?

I can't imagine getting pissed about a coalition of republicans spending money to defeat Trump. Like the alternative was that Rick Wilson would have otherwise been tried for war crimes or something, if he wasn't doing this? These ads are unequivocally a good thing.

Pelosi already agrees w/ them on many things xp

right so what is the problem?

the nominmee already argees with them on many things!

nominee

yeah am I missing something in these ads that implies the Democratic party is welcoming their influence on a policy level?

I think it's fair to be worried about influential and rich conservatives thinking they *earned* some influence over a Biden administration by helping him win, and Biden is enough of a moron to indulge them. he's probably pals with half of them

he's already against defunding the cops and always has been

Biden has been influenced by these people his whole career, it's the whole reason he won the nomination

I suspect TLP types (and even congressmen) want a return to the good old days when they could oppose a Democratic president without the obligation of coming up with alternatives to governance (not that they've been doing it anyway).

I think that's exactly right.

But I mean would people prefer that they *didn't* spend money slamming Trump? That they were getting behind him? Weird.

<still not voting for Joe Biden but perfectly happy that Steve Schmidt is>

But I mean would people prefer that they *didn't* spend money slamming Trump? That they were getting behind him? Weird.

I think most would prefer they'd jump in the ocean tbh

Take their money, jump in the ocean.

I'm ok with *marching* them into the ocean but will take the assist in getting rid of trump first

Sounds good to me.

very much a Major Barbara situation

My worry is grounded in antipathy to encouraging the project of rehabbing the Republican party post-Trump, which I feel like TLP is at least partially designed to do. IOW I don't agree with "These ads are unequivocally a good thing" because I think "These ads are situationally a good thing"

ok but I mean the ads only happening and being discussed in the context of this situation

everyone in the party is going to be tasked w trying to "rehab" it once/if they lose

I know other posters expressed much stronger opinions earlier, but tbc like a lot of the ~disagreements~ on ilx politics threads, for me this is more like "I feel mild irritation when I see this retweeted/praised on my timeline" not "this is a profound betrayal and I am shaking with rage"

this is a profound betrayal and I am shaking with rage

^ mods can u autoreplace the above statement for every time someone writes the word "Biden"

lol