Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

there is still a lot of support for his government despite how much of a fucking disaster it is

As an American, I cannot imagine such a thing being possible

I seem to remember even sanders called Chavez a communist dictator. so weird for anyone to pretend Venezuela is a partisan political issue in the states

Well, since the US created Chavez and got Venezuela into the mess it is in, one could see how it could be a partisan issue.

Sanders was the only candidate who refused to recognize Guaidó IIRC.

former ted cruz VP candidate carly fiorina says she's voting for biden. or rather, that she will not vote for trump, and since biden is the other name she is voting for him.

They really need a 3rd party candidate to line up behind.

Jim Webb!!

sorry, i'm like the only person on earth that remembers jim webb

Thought experiment, if Romney/Webb ran, would it draw votes away from people who might otherwise vote for Trump, or only from the tiny rump of lifelong Republicans who were going to hold their nose and vote Biden or stay home?

it's a thought experiment i don't want to entertain

boe jiden

What do you think "stand with the Venezuelan people and for democracy" would mean?

I would guess it means standing back warily and making encouraging noises.

Not clear to me that's the wrong approach

in the context of the quote it seems clear that Biden is signaling that he is more of a hawk on Venezuela than Trump (which I don't think is true, but it may be). So, I'm not sure that necessarily signals that he would pursue a hands-off approach

Biden is more of a hawk in the sense that Trump just doesn't have the patience to follow through on imperialist campaigns.

What would make anyone think, given Democratic administrations' foreign policies for the last... 60 years that "standing back and making encouraging noises" is a likely outcome?

Well I don’t think a drone war in South America would uh. Fly.

Have to say he hasn't sounded this on point in a long time

Biden on Trump: "He's like a child. He can't believe this has happened to him. All his whining and self-pity. This pandemic didn't happen to him. It happened to all of us. And his job isn't to whine about it, his job is to do something about it. To lead." pic.twitter.com/nCJZmPV0TM

— The American Independent (@AmerIndependent) June 25, 2020

Trump doesn’t know how to pursue any foreign policy other than what Putin tells him to, including playing tough with China.

The left’s allergy to pursuing any form of foreign policy at all means that the Bernie contingent is unlikely to get a seat at the national security table in a Biden admin, which is unfortunate.

Be adults, do some right-wing coups.

Romney / Gabbard is the spoiler ticket

🚨 FOX NEWS POLL 🚨
FL: Biden 49, Trump 40
GA: Biden 47, Trump 45
NC: Biden 47, Trump 45
TX: Biden 45, Trump 44

— Ashley Moir (@ashleymoirDC) June 25, 2020

p implausible

I hope the Trump campaign finds them plausible and starts spending money in NC and TX

Didn’t we learn last time that many trump voters don’t take part in polls?

the final national polls were within the margin of error and so were most of the state polls. it's just that most of them broke in the same direction, towards Trump, so they probably undersampled Trump voters, yes. I assume most pollsters have adjusted their methodology since then.

who will be our Comey

i don't know why i first thought of neil patrick harris, but i'm sticking with it

Trump was crying on Hannity’s shoulder tonight; it was so pathetic, I seriously think one more week of polls like this and he’ll resign via 3 AM tweet.

hopefully his heart will resign

just saw my first Lincoln Project ad and my god

yeah, they are very nazi lite (with aspartame)

If you want a vision of the Democratic future, imagine a Lincoln Project video reflected in a pair of eyes - forever

yeah, they are very nazi lite (with aspartame)

― Fuck the NRA (ulysses), Thursday, June 25, 2020 10:46 PM (twenty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I thought they were just Never Trumpers?

you say tomato

If Never-Trumper Republicans can convince other Republicans not to vote for Trump, then it falls under the trope "the enemy of my enemy is my friend". As long as their efforts remain focused exclusively on dumping Trump their other ideological failings are of little import.

That's how we got al-Qaeda

there's also little reason to do any "business" with Lincoln Project after the election, or even now, since they seem to be doing it of their own volition.

Bad analogy. Never-Trumpers are self-funding, and self-directed. They simply choose to play this role independently. If they have shoulder-fired ground-to-air missiles, they bought them with their own money on the open market. They have not been funded or specifically encouraged by the DNC or Biden campaign.

"self funding"
https://www.opensecrets.org/pacs/pacgave2.php?cmte=C00725820&cycle=2020

But their funding is irrelevant to the bullshit of "the enemy of my enemy is my friend."

Dem leadership want nothing in this life more than to be the party of Bloomberg and the sooner progressives fully understand that and respond accordingly the sooner maybe we won’t all die

the Lincoln Project are Republicans so the "enemy of my enemy" logic doesn't even work here. I'm sure there's some other Art of War bs that applies to infighting among your enemies though

I don't pay the Lincoln Project much mind, comprised as it is by Bush administration satraps, scrapheaps from other GOP organizations, and disenchanted conservatives generally who wish Donald J. Trump acted with the dignity of a Bush, Poppy, Reagan, etc. But, yeah, most of them have been opposed to the Trump White House since the beginning, so, yes, they are enemies of Trump. And he'd consider them enemies.

TLP interests me only insofar as it persuades Republican voters to stay home. I don't even want these people as Democrats.

I just think I/we can have more than one enemy at a time! No need to befriend neocons ffs

I am happy to see Republicans divided and demoralized, that is true. I picked Before the Storm back up this past week and it's been fun reading how badly the GOP primary went (I'm only at New Hampshire though...no spoilers please lol)

TLP interests me only insofar as it persuades Republican voters to stay home. I don't even want these people as Democrats.

Exactly. It's not "the enemy of my enemy is my friend," it's "when your enemy is sinking, throw him an anchor."

I don't think anybody is inviting TLP to our drum circle, just appreciating having someone else for Trump to deal with during his campaign

Republican monsters are part of the Biden Coalition, deal