US Politics, June 2020 — You have to dominate.

if not for the short-term than for history every one of their obstructions needs to go on the record

the 2012 win wasn't a surprise, but it definitely came a bit easier than the conventional wisdom suspected

― voodoo chili, Wednesday, June 3, 2020 4:52 PM bookmarkflaglink

it was touch and go for a bit after the first debate! much of the data was just a temporary spike that corrected itself, and most of the prognosticators like 538, NYT, PEC, Drew Linzer et al did have Obama as the slight favorite throughout Sept/October, but it was close enough that dumb conservatives actually thought they were winning, and Rasmussen actually forecasted a Romney electoral victory a few weeks before the election. My friend got invited to a Free At Last party by a delusional Romney stan that was convinced they were going to win.

I definitely wasn't shocked when it happened, as by election week, Obama had started to pull away and 538 gave him better odds than Clinton had on election day, but we were all very nervous iirc in the election thread, whereas Obama was pretty much the favorite as soon as Palin showed up.

normal decision tree

Only a couple hours ago, the AP reported that the Pentagon was beginning to send regular Army troops deployed to DC back to their home bases. Now Secretary Esper has abruptly reversed that order. Seems very likely that the White House found out – quite possibly from the news report – and ordered Esper to reverse course.

https://talkingpointsmemo.com/edblog/remarkable-remarkable

what's the over/under on how long it would take a lame-duck GOP Senate to change the SCOTUS confirmation rules back to what they were before they changed them in 2017 to confirm Gorsuch and Kavanaugh...if Dems took the Senate.

Obama was pretty much the favorite as soon as Palin showed up.

Palin was less a factor in 2008 than McCain's near-paralysis in the face of the financial collapse in September/October. With Republicans holding power for 8 straight years, it was impossible to deflect responsibility for the collapse onto the Democrats. Bush lost what was left of his public support as Wall Street burned and the TARP was unveiled, and he took McCain down with him because McCain wasn't free to repudiate his party's leadership.

Aimless, I slightly disagree. McCain absolutely was in a position to repudiate party leadership because as The Maverick he could've done, but instead his intellectual sloth, moral torpor, and general stupidity prevented him. No Republican would've won in 2008, let's be clear, but McCain could've done better if he hadn't been Overrated John McCain.

Mad Dog is mad:
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2020/06/james-mattis-denounces-trump-protests-militarization/612640/

so The Maverick wasn't always 100% bullshit? xp

Holy shit Mattis

“Devoir de reserve” Mattis (https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/10/james-mattis-trump/596665/)

Well that was unexpected. Is he the highest profile ex-Trump appointee to trash the fucker?

for real. where's the tax returns?

man if there's a conspiracy by 'the deep state' to keep trump's hands tied i wish it would hurry the fuck up

I'm sure someone already posted this, but just in case.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RZevgdbMIB0

so The Maverick wasn't always 100% bullshit? xp

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Wednesday, June 3, 2020 6:18 PM (thirty-five minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Worse than bullshit, but no one here believed it.

i'm a 9/11 truther

to be clear, i mean that i believe GWB really did read that book. he fucking nailed it!

― Karl Malone, Wednesday, June 3, 2020 2:01 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

grand slam

Mattis 'trashed' everything when he was fired. your short memories puzzle me

“I had no choice but to leave,” he says in that book interview. same shit, different volume, adjusted for audience.

OK doctor

he's not a real doctor

Everything anybody else posts is just dross for your supercilious punker-than-thou sanctimony. This is actually why we post tbf

is it punk to wonder how moist Rachel Maddow got when she licked that Mattis copy tonight? slid right onto the studio floor in 3 seconds, I bet. MSNBC Glide.

I wanna see her riding a missile Major Kong / Hanoi Jane style. so fuckin' butch

I don’t know why I keep tapping through to read your posts after I killfiled you, I really need better hobbies.

Your misogyny is noted

I don't think its supercilious of me to want to shoot every career military man in the head

I didn't know Mattis had a pussy

Now we have to rate the thread "Adult" - thanks, Morbs

I don't think any of us are on the Jim Mattis Tugjob Committee, just noting that this is 70 times more vitriol that any other departed appointee has managed thus far. Everybody else has just gone into silent retirement or been named Scaramucci.

Of course, nobody's going to ask him to his face about the time he spent licking Trump's boots.

It's not not a big deal.

esp whem you are threatening to wield the military

when

Mattis Tugjob Committee would good name for an acappella group.

anyway the point isn't what we think of four-star generals, it's that Trump worships them and he's gotta be cwwwwyyyyying right now

this is his worst nightmare, being called a "baby" (not mature)—up there with "dog" as his favorite insult—by a big strong so handsome tough army man

i just saw that Tom Cotton oped in the times and holy god, fuck them.

hmm the other day tom cotton said that cops/guard should 'give no quarter' -- a war crime even if it weren't against one's fellow citizens -- yet that doesn't seem to be addressed here

fwiw I don’t think Mattis or McMaster were ever in their roles to “lick boots,” they took the positions they did so that people of Esper or Flynn’s ilk wouldn’t be able to step in

I realize I am the only person on this board who thinks this, idgaf.

xp cotton manages to somehow stand out, doesn't he? you've got longtime pieces of shit like roy blunt whose main contribution to fascism is nodding along to it all and never taking either the total credit or fall for anything. then you've got a guy like cotton, who is like an evangelist for the cause, taking it to new heights, carving out his own niche of evil innovation. he seems like he has completely lost his mind. look at his eyes when he's getting into it - it's super weird

xp that may be true, but either way they failed

tom cotton is a fucking traitor and should be shot.

really wish I hadn't read that I'm having an anuerysm

On the contrary, nihilist criminals are simply out for loot and the thrill of destruction, with cadres of left-wing radicals like antifa infiltrating protest marches to exploit Floyd’s death for their own anarchic purposes.

^that's a hotlink to Barr's statement on categorizing Antifa as terror group, FUCK THE NEW YORK TIMES

the link to antifa goes to a bill barr press release. i should really unsubscribe.

dude

A lot of people persist in thinking Tom Cotton could be president one day. Apparently James Bennet is one of them, and wanted to taste-test his balls in advance.

NYT precedent

Well, there was this ... if in 1941 pic.twitter.com/b6af2D4qYl

— Jules Boykoff (@JulesBoykoff) June 4, 2020

I realize I am the only person on this board who thinks this

No. I think that's a fairly accurate reading of what they thought they were doing, but it was probably less about who they feared would get the job if they refused, and more about the obviously paramount need to steer events safely through the Trump minefield. Which they thought they could do. But no one can.

Morbs would not be impressed by that, because in his eyes being a general officer is disqualifying for the offices they filled, simply by reason of their military training and allegiance.

But Barr very clearly teabags Trump like nobody's business.

not sure barr really cares about trump; he just wants to see people under the boot

Mattis is a war criminal, serving Trump is just a cherry on the fuck him forever cake.

jfc how much of a piece of shit is james bennet https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-york-times-staffers-in-open-revolt-over-running-tom-cottons-send-in-the-troops-column?source=twitter&via=desktop