love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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Lol:

MPs have just voted by 350 to 258, govt majority 92, to discontinue remote participation in Commons on 2 June pic.twitter.com/m5U4UCdpbc

— John Rentoul (@JohnRentoul) May 20, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link

time to start a parliamentary dead pool lads

a denim head and an aficionado of Japanese craftsmanship (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:39 (four years ago) link

are MPs gonna be allowed to stay at home if they don't think it's safe?

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 15:43 (four years ago) link

I’m at Clapham Junction and I have never seen anything like it for quiet. Real Sunday 2am stuff.

Not a massive amount of mask wearing. Possibly linked to the “govt advice is to consider wearing a mask” announcements.

stet, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link

i've still not worn one - from everything i'd heard the govt lack of buying PPE tied with non medical stuff buying all the masks up meant there weren't enough for people who genuinely needed them so it was selfish as fuck for me to go buy one when i'm socially isolating at home, not getting close to anyone when i do go out and so dont need it.... but then today i see on my socials someone posting that not wearing a mask when you go out is "a sign of privilege". so yeah confused.

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:04 (four years ago) link

people will say anything to feel superior

imago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link

that said if you're going to mix with people a mask isn't a bad idea idk, but if you're steering clear it's probably an indulgence. of course if we were all given proper medical-grade masks then it'd be much easier and almost second-nature to do it regardless

imago, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link

Medical-grade protects you, even a cloth face covering helps protect others is what I understand about it. And especially in confined spaces like buses

stet, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link

not wearing a mask when you go out is "a sign of privilege".

That's so much utterly backwards nonsense. I actually don't know where to get a mask. Are there shops stocking them? I suppose I could look on Amazon but that's because I have an internet connection and a credit card.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:22 (four years ago) link

I don't like the language of 'provilege' especially but, and this also shouldn't need saying, having to go out is clearly not something everyone can reasonably avoid just because they don't have a mask.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:27 (four years ago) link

Provilege? Don't know the meaning of the word.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:28 (four years ago) link

Absolutely recommend a keffiyah / shemagh if you want to simultaneously have some level of protection without taking PPE away from healthcare providers and look like you're in the PLO.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:29 (four years ago) link

or joining The Locust

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link

obv

Hmmmmm (jamiesummerz), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:36 (four years ago) link

I did enjoy the terror1st chic effect when attempting to wear a scarf over my face one time but it kept falling down and defeating the whole purpose.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:39 (four years ago) link

Hooligan chic I should say. People did actually seem to be giving me a wider berth.

Noel Emits, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:41 (four years ago) link

Get some military surplus scrim scarf in olive paired with a black beret for the ira colour party look

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 17:46 (four years ago) link

An unmasked/ungloved person assuming privilege is a real thing though - particularly if they’re just breezing on through, pausing only to get annoyed at people who are dressed for protection, who are judged to be unclean or in the way. The privilege is assuming others will make way for you. Context was seeing obnoxious middle aged/class man going apeshit at a BAME youth for not backing himself up fast enough when MCW was trying to pass, and that being one of a few witnessed interactions of that type.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:17 (four years ago) link

Denmark is giving out masks on public transport.

The United States is arresting/macing/tazing people who don’t look rich and don’t wear masks.

So there’s a couple of options the UK could take.

In seriousness the UK attitude on masks (this thread, general public, the government) seems to be a global outlier.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:29 (four years ago) link

next to no one is wearing masks here

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link

we weren't hit like the uk mind

COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:30 (four years ago) link

Right but it seems like no one is wearing them in the uk and most people wouldn’t know where to get one.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:36 (four years ago) link

My wife ordered us tailor made masks which I'm sure are medically useless but look really cool and I'm sure would at least prevent me breathing on people if I'd set foot in a building that wasn't mine for the past month and a half.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:42 (four years ago) link

i ordered some from etsy like a month ago and they have yet to arrive so i made a janky one out of a shirt.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:45 (four years ago) link

“Medically useless” is the thing though. They’re not medically useless for the people you’re sharing a lift/bus/tube with.

There are so many de facto experiments being conducted right now on what works in practice and I’m sure we’ll find out if mask wearing/closing parks/2m *actually *worked to slow the spread in a few months. But in the meantime there’s very good lab based evidence that they help. A tiny bit of leadership here from the uk govt would have quickly had vendors selling masks on every corner like they have elsewhere.

𝔠𝔞𝔢𝔨 (caek), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 19:56 (four years ago) link

I’ve been using clean scarves and tenugi cloths (and sacrificed the least interesting tenugi cloth to a friend with a sewing machine, who made it into a mask for me).

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:09 (four years ago) link

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EYfYLRFWoAQcKip?format=jpg&name=large

There will be thousands of vacancies opening up on farms across the country in the coming weeks and we have already seen a fantastic response from the public wanting to pick for Britain this summer.

calzino, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:24 (four years ago) link

I know of one leading politician who was picking for Britain even before the current crisis.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/d63d3f2b39430935e344bd01b46b8a8206cb715f/0_109_793_476/master/793.jpg?width=620&quality=85&auto=format&fit=max&s=4a3528301f7d494143dd9b9439784e67

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Wednesday, 20 May 2020 21:34 (four years ago) link

This us a tough read. How two care homes have coped:

Spent the day in Oxfordshire talking to carers

They tell a tale of the mistakes of this crisis, how the differences between expensive care homes and more modest ones and good and bad companies help determine who lives and who dies for both residents and carers.

Thread.

— Lewis Goodall (@lewis_goodall) May 20, 2020

xyzzzz__, Wednesday, 20 May 2020 22:33 (four years ago) link

Meanwhile BREXIT quietly proceeds

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2020/may/20/brexit-gove-confirms-plans-for-checks-on-goods-crossing-irish-sea

koogs, Thursday, 21 May 2020 01:31 (four years ago) link

I think you mean is being cruelly betrayed!

Andrew Farrell, Thursday, 21 May 2020 07:55 (four years ago) link

No surrender, Boris.

Is Lou Reed a Good Singer? (Tom D.), Thursday, 21 May 2020 08:34 (four years ago) link

my anecdotal observations from occasional shopping forays into hackney = some ppl are wearing them (maybe a third? a quarter?)

on the the whole older ppl (inc me) and more often black or poc ppl than white.

like tracer's mine is a janky self-made one which i have to tie behind my head -- more an awareness signal than a genuine medical device. i do have blue latex gloves tho, i scored a box v early on. streets are generally very empty so the issue of self-distancing doesn't seem to arise much here.

mark s, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:13 (four years ago) link

i've fixed my broken mask so i can brave the shops today secure in the knowledge that at least i'm not the one acting the cunt

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:23 (four years ago) link

somebody got knifed at 8pm last night in the park where i play ball with my kids. unless the knife was 2m long that's a naughty disrespect of the rules

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:23 (four years ago) link

anecdotal evidence but my daughter was telling me yesterday that a cohort of her friends seem to have totally given up on the idea of social distancing, notably since last week

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:24 (four years ago) link

https://i.postimg.cc/Y2z4Ht1W/Castle.jpg

^ for reference

Barely anyone is wearing masks here. I suspect it'll be even fewer when it gets too hot to wear scarves, etc.

ShariVari, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:24 (four years ago) link

I already had a decent pre-lockdown stockpile (well two 100 boxes) of xl latex gloves which I use for dangerous cooking activities like chilli/scotch bonnet chopping. I didn't think about getting more before the price gougers moved in.

calzino, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:25 (four years ago) link

I've been feeling that ppl are giving up, too. Surprisingly a steady stream of neighbourhood scolds lecturing people hasn't actually made people more likely to follow the guidelines, what a surprise eh.

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Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:26 (four years ago) link

Yesterday's twitter fad was a buncha media types trotting out tired "lol Stoke Newington hipsters" material. The fact that this happened at the same time as Hackney having the third highest mortality rate in the UK really struck home to me how BAME and working class communities get treated here - first you get gentrified the fuck out of and then you get erased by clowns performatively expressing their disapproval of other clowns.

Daniel_Rf, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:30 (four years ago) link

tbf you get erased by clowns cosplaying WWII as well

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:31 (four years ago) link

I don’t think masks are ever going to catch on here unfortunately - in retrospect the waffling over their efficacy right at the start was unfortunate (as was the fact that the govt never advised wearing them obv). Now we have people thinking wearing a mask means going into a hospital and stealing one, or that making one is pointless (based on argument that are the equivalent of “there are no studies that prove covering my mouth when I cough stops me from getting coronavirus!”)

What fash heil is this? (wins), Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:40 (four years ago) link

Quite simply the government should (have) be(en) supplying masks. But then even with good ones there are probably more or less or even counnter-productive ways to use them. If shops or buses are handing them out that means you're fiddling around your face with unclean hands and more than like it fitting it less than optimally. Then there's the question of how much if at all you should be reusing them if they are collecting particles.

Gloves certainly seem to be a bad idea, at least for shopping.

Noel Emits, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:54 (four years ago) link

* more than likely

Noel Emits, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:54 (four years ago) link

Gloves certainly seem to be a bad idea, at least for shopping

thank you for yr helpful input

mark s, Thursday, 21 May 2020 09:57 (four years ago) link

now i'm no amateur virologist but i'm pretty sure that *putting something across your mouth and nose while you're around other people* is productive full stop and pondering whether it's worth bothering is part of the problem

come out you melts and bams (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link

There are loads of videos online showing easy ways to make masks out of socks, old T shirts, handkerchiefs... if you tie them properly they will stay on and you can put a little bit of kitchen roll inside as an extra layer of filtration. Then you wash them when you get inside, as you wash your hands. This makes them reusable. It’s really not that hard

What fash heil is this? (wins), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:00 (four years ago) link

Yesterday's twitter fad was a buncha media types trotting out tired "lol Stoke Newington hipsters" material. The fact that this happened at the same time as Hackney having the third highest mortality rate in the UK really struck home to me how BAME and working class communities get treated here - first you get gentrified the fuck out of and then you get erased by clowns performatively expressing their disapproval of other clowns.


I greatly enjoyed the backlash to that, and yeah N16 stereotypes exist for a reason but there’s a lot of dog whistles that go uncomfortably with rich white commentators whining about “rough” or “stabby” areas. We lived near Green Lanes and you turn a corner and you don’t see a single irritating yuppie type, it belongs to them too but the mainly rich white residents only acknowledged the Turks and Kurds during the riots! Makes u think.

gyac, Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:05 (four years ago) link

“rough” or “stabby” area

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megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Thursday, 21 May 2020 10:11 (four years ago) link


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