xp assuming “leftism” is even a real thing, and not just conservatives trying to prosecute a desperate point about empathy being poisonous,
“men are bad” seems to be a made-up excuse for the sorts of people who use the word “leftist” unironically to yell at a cohort of people who don’t even think that.
― karmic blowback for dissing pip and jane baker (Autumn Almanac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 00:54 (four years ago) link
(That was an xp to budo jeru btw.)
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 00:55 (four years ago) link
Sure, I'll explain
First I don't ascribe to any "men are bad" bullshit, I'm of the opinion that people of all genders are bad
Second I think that having a day (at the very least) devoted to acknowledging not only the physical stress and exertion of carrying a baby to term and/or bearing said baby and/or (especially) rearing that child is pretty necessary? And that appreciating these acts for a day (at the very least) is necessary, and should supersede the concerns of an individual that such a holiday might feel exclusionary to those of us who have poor/bad relationships with one's own mothers, and/or have lost their mother.
Thirdly, putting the focus on A Day That Celebrates Mothers (as opposed to fathers) would hopefully be interpreted (as being obvious) that it's an inversion of the historical dynamic that tends to give single moms the short stick, societally-- not to mention that 80% of single parents are moms, citation needed? ok here's a google https://www.verywellfamily.com/single-parent-census-data-2997668
I don't disagree that it's a Hallmark Card Holiday but ultimately there is something necessary and political about it imo! that's all
― it’s been one week since you pissed on me (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 13:12 (four years ago) link
I don't give a shit whether or not it's a Hallmark holiday really, all holidays are contrivances.
Being a father is also stressful and requires exertion if you're doing it right. I love my dad and on Father's day I'll let him know that or give him a gift. That doesn't mean I can't do that any other day but still it's nice. For people who come from more emotionally repressed families it's a functional excuse to do that.
Not sure what mother's day has nothing to do with "inverting a historical dynamic"
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:22 (four years ago) link
Hm, never thought about it much. Apparently the founder of the holiday really hated that it became a commercialized Hallmark holiday and crusaded against this; it was apparently political (for both suffragette and anti-suffragette activists) from the outset too.https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-52589173
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 15:31 (four years ago) link
slightly different origins in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday, although it's basically the same thing
― fetter, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
id imagine a lot of single fathers might rather themselves that they werent in the 80% that dont officially count as parents in some instances/contexts tbh
― spruce springclean (darraghmac), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 16:13 (four years ago) link
there's even some single mothers, well they're gonna tell you that everything is just dirt
― peace, man, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
My mom still tells me I’m dirt and she’s been remarried for 30 years
― it’s been one week since you pissed on me (flamboyant goon tie included), Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:34 (four years ago) link
For people who come from more emotionally repressed families it's a functional excuse to do that.
― brimstead, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:49 (four years ago) link
it is kinda awkward and annoying for women that have chosen not to be moms, because a lot of the message of mother's day is "in order for you to be celebrated as a woman, you have to be a mom" ... which, coupled with the traditional patriarchal thing of "women are not inherently valued. A woman is only valuable in relation to caring/supporting others" ... it can feel super shitty. It definitely is something that made me feel alienated from the gender I was born into, for sure.
― sarahell, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:52 (four years ago) link
At least Mother's Day and International Women's Day are distinct in most Western countries. In Russia, for instance, they're one and the same, for the very reason you mention.
― pomenitul, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 18:56 (four years ago) link
i don't really see mother's day as a legitimate corrective measure to the "historical dynamic that tends to give single moms the short stick," primarily because the issue here isn't that fatherhood is valued "more" than motherhood. that's sort of missing the point, i think. it's not a matter of disproportional representation but rather of alienation and misrepresentation. it's not that motherhood isn't sufficiently visible, but rather that the lens through which dominant culture would have us view motherhood tends to obscure its fundamentally economic function. if anything, the marketing and commodification of motherhood that are central to how mother's day works as a national holiday are indicative of, and tend to reinforce, a patriarchal understanding of gender roles that — far from empowering (single) mothers — normalize (or justify) the emotional labor of motherhood as something a woman owes to society and for which she ought not be entitled to compensation or even basic goods and services that might facilitate the task of rearing a human child from womb to 18. from here it's not hard to make the connection to specific conservative legislation.
you might even go so far as to say that it's worth wondering why we find it so important to distinguish between fatherhood and motherhood at all !
― budo jeru, Wednesday, 13 May 2020 20:06 (four years ago) link
Looting and vandalism are good not bad
― silby, Sunday, 31 May 2020 22:46 (four years ago) link
sounds reasonable
― plax (ico), Sunday, 31 May 2020 22:54 (four years ago) link
Looting and vandalism done by white people is bad not good
― flamboyant goon tie included, Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:19 (four years ago) link
nah
― plax (ico), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:25 (four years ago) link
Looting done by Logan Paul is bad
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:29 (four years ago) link
almost no one is interesting enough for the mere fact of their disapproval to be worth sharing
― The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:36 (four years ago) link
Logan Paul is a butthole
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:39 (four years ago) link
some people look better in a mask
― i will FP you and your entire family (rip van wanko), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:41 (four years ago) link
Rocky Dennis
― I am a free. I am not man. A number. (Neanderthal), Sunday, 31 May 2020 23:46 (four years ago) link
the phrases "bad not good" and "good not bad" are both annoying regardless of the sentiment being expressed
― (The Other) J.D. (J.D.), Monday, 1 June 2020 04:50 (four years ago) link
We have a whole separate thread for annoying phrases!!
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Monday, 1 June 2020 04:51 (four years ago) link
j.d. is right not wrong
― j., Monday, 1 June 2020 04:51 (four years ago) link
"good, not bad" is good, not bad, but "bad, not good" is bad, not good.
― Shampoo for my real friends (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Monday, 1 June 2020 06:50 (four years ago) link
"Pizza" without a modifier should refer to Neopolitan style pizza which proliferated outside Italy in New York City. Despite countless perfectly fine regional variations, this is the One True Pizza, and when discussing pizza or arguing about pizza, pizza eaters in the U.S. especially should always humbly defer to experienced NYC metro area pizza eaters and keep their broken provincial tastes to themselves, fight me
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:32 (three years ago) link
blah blah blah who cares Yankees suck
― all cats are beautiful (silby), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:34 (three years ago) link
they're undefeated this season!
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:35 (three years ago) link
fuck em
― mellon collie and the infinite bradness (BradNelson), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:37 (three years ago) link
New York ok, but Italy still knows how to make them the best
― Dan S, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:39 (three years ago) link
I've had a lot of great pizza in Italy, but not as consistently good as NY/NJ/CT
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:40 (three years ago) link
It's plain to see there aren't any Italians on this board. You wouldn't dare.
― pomenitul, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:43 (three years ago) link
never had real pizza, will never care
― brimstead, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:45 (three years ago) link
xp that's why I'm itt!
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:49 (three years ago) link
Neanderthal is half-Italian, quarter-Sicilian
all dumb
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:49 (three years ago) link
I do like a sicilian pizza
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:52 (three years ago) link
I'm still unclear on how Detroit style is different from Sicilian. They seem just about the same to me.
― Mario Meatwagon (Moodles), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:53 (three years ago) link
the best pizzas I've ever had have been in Italy
― Dan S, Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
Detroit pizza has pieces of Officer Murphy in it
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
doesn't it have brick cheese?
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:54 (three years ago) link
Sfincione is *kisses fingers*
I'm 1/8th italian, never been to NY but instinctively recoil at notion that pizza is better anywhere outside of Italy
Ciao
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
The One True Pizza is made by Edmonton-based chain Boston Pizza.
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:55 (three years ago) link
jfc next someone will be saying Hot Pockets are the one true pizza
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link
J/k, it's mediocre crap that my parents like but there is no One True Pizza according to my postmodern neo-Marxist culinary perspective.xp
― Feel a million filaments (Sund4r), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link
I went to a Boston pizza recently and they had a magician going round the tables doing tricks
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:56 (three years ago) link
doing or turning
― Dig Dug the police (Neanderthal), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:57 (three years ago) link
I am eating some bullshit frozen pizza tonight and it will be real good tbh
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 01:58 (three years ago) link
Dr Oetker has the right prescription for me
― Rik Waller-Bridge (jim in vancouver), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:00 (three years ago) link
That's what I have!
― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), Saturday, 13 June 2020 02:01 (three years ago) link