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The same opinion does not apply to Father's Day obv

it's been annoying for two days that i haven't been able to figure out why this is "obv"

would you mind explaining ?

annoying me*

it's a tenet of the religion of leftism to say 'men are bad' at any given opportunity, kind of how red sox fans are obligated to chant 'yankees suck' if there are more than one of them gathered in a particular location

While we're at it, I'm not sure I understood the 'straight pride' bit either. I agree with the general sentiment, however.

xp assuming “leftism” is even a real thing, and not just conservatives trying to prosecute a desperate point about empathy being poisonous,

“men are bad” seems to be a made-up excuse for the sorts of people who use the word “leftist” unironically to yell at a cohort of people who don’t even think that.

(That was an xp to budo jeru btw.)

Sure, I'll explain

First I don't ascribe to any "men are bad" bullshit, I'm of the opinion that people of all genders are bad

Second I think that having a day (at the very least) devoted to acknowledging not only the physical stress and exertion of carrying a baby to term and/or bearing said baby and/or (especially) rearing that child is pretty necessary? And that appreciating these acts for a day (at the very least) is necessary, and should supersede the concerns of an individual that such a holiday might feel exclusionary to those of us who have poor/bad relationships with one's own mothers, and/or have lost their mother.

Thirdly, putting the focus on A Day That Celebrates Mothers (as opposed to fathers) would hopefully be interpreted (as being obvious) that it's an inversion of the historical dynamic that tends to give single moms the short stick, societally-- not to mention that 80% of single parents are moms, citation needed? ok here's a google https://www.verywellfamily.com/single-parent-census-data-2997668

I don't disagree that it's a Hallmark Card Holiday but ultimately there is something necessary and political about it imo! that's all

I don't give a shit whether or not it's a Hallmark holiday really, all holidays are contrivances.

Being a father is also stressful and requires exertion if you're doing it right. I love my dad and on Father's day I'll let him know that or give him a gift. That doesn't mean I can't do that any other day but still it's nice. For people who come from more emotionally repressed families it's a functional excuse to do that.

Not sure what mother's day has nothing to do with "inverting a historical dynamic"

Hm, never thought about it much. Apparently the founder of the holiday really hated that it became a commercialized Hallmark holiday and crusaded against this; it was apparently political (for both suffragette and anti-suffragette activists) from the outset too.
https://www.bbc.com/news/stories-52589173

slightly different origins in the UK: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mothering_Sunday, although it's basically the same thing

id imagine a lot of single fathers might rather themselves that they werent in the 80% that dont officially count as parents in some instances/contexts tbh

there's even some single mothers, well they're gonna tell you that everything is just dirt

My mom still tells me I’m dirt and she’s been remarried for 30 years

For people who come from more emotionally repressed families it's a functional excuse to do that.

it is kinda awkward and annoying for women that have chosen not to be moms, because a lot of the message of mother's day is "in order for you to be celebrated as a woman, you have to be a mom" ... which, coupled with the traditional patriarchal thing of "women are not inherently valued. A woman is only valuable in relation to caring/supporting others" ... it can feel super shitty. It definitely is something that made me feel alienated from the gender I was born into, for sure.

At least Mother's Day and International Women's Day are distinct in most Western countries. In Russia, for instance, they're one and the same, for the very reason you mention.

i don't really see mother's day as a legitimate corrective measure to the "historical dynamic that tends to give single moms the short stick," primarily because the issue here isn't that fatherhood is valued "more" than motherhood. that's sort of missing the point, i think. it's not a matter of disproportional representation but rather of alienation and misrepresentation. it's not that motherhood isn't sufficiently visible, but rather that the lens through which dominant culture would have us view motherhood tends to obscure its fundamentally economic function. if anything, the marketing and commodification of motherhood that are central to how mother's day works as a national holiday are indicative of, and tend to reinforce, a patriarchal understanding of gender roles that — far from empowering (single) mothers — normalize (or justify) the emotional labor of motherhood as something a woman owes to society and for which she ought not be entitled to compensation or even basic goods and services that might facilitate the task of rearing a human child from womb to 18. from here it's not hard to make the connection to specific conservative legislation.

you might even go so far as to say that it's worth wondering why we find it so important to distinguish between fatherhood and motherhood at all !

Looting and vandalism are good not bad

sounds reasonable

Looting and vandalism done by white people is bad not good

nah

Looting done by Logan Paul is bad

almost no one is interesting enough for the mere fact of their disapproval to be worth sharing

Logan Paul is a butthole

some people look better in a mask

Rocky Dennis

the phrases "bad not good" and "good not bad" are both annoying regardless of the sentiment being expressed

We have a whole separate thread for annoying phrases!!

j.d. is right not wrong

"good, not bad" is good, not bad, but "bad, not good" is bad, not good.

"Pizza" without a modifier should refer to Neopolitan style pizza which proliferated outside Italy in New York City. Despite countless perfectly fine regional variations, this is the One True Pizza, and when discussing pizza or arguing about pizza, pizza eaters in the U.S. especially should always humbly defer to experienced NYC metro area pizza eaters and keep their broken provincial tastes to themselves, fight me

blah blah blah who cares Yankees suck

they're undefeated this season!

fuck em

New York ok, but Italy still knows how to make them the best

I've had a lot of great pizza in Italy, but not as consistently good as NY/NJ/CT

It's plain to see there aren't any Italians on this board. You wouldn't dare.

never had real pizza, will never care

xp that's why I'm itt!

Neanderthal is half-Italian, quarter-Sicilian

all dumb

I do like a sicilian pizza

I'm still unclear on how Detroit style is different from Sicilian. They seem just about the same to me.

the best pizzas I've ever had have been in Italy

Detroit pizza has pieces of Officer Murphy in it

doesn't it have brick cheese?

Sfincione is *kisses fingers*

I'm 1/8th italian, never been to NY but instinctively recoil at notion that pizza is better anywhere outside of Italy

Ciao

The One True Pizza is made by Edmonton-based chain Boston Pizza.

jfc next someone will be saying Hot Pockets are the one true pizza

J/k, it's mediocre crap that my parents like but there is no One True Pizza according to my postmodern neo-Marxist culinary perspective.xp

I went to a Boston pizza recently and they had a magician going round the tables doing tricks