Mostly Apolitical Thread for Discussing/Venting our Rational/Irrational COVID-19 Fears and Experiences in 2020

I wasn't suggesting anyone move to Prairie City this year or even this decade. I was addressing the idea that retirement was an impossibility for people now in their early-middle years, by outlining a minimalist strategy that reduces the need for saving formidable amounts of cash to live on in one's later years. If you are retired, then the lack of jobs in Bumfuck, Nebraska is not the central problem, but rather the need for basic services. If you live in walking distance of basic shopping you don't need a lot of public transportation, etc. Retirement is a tricky logistical problem. More money makes it easier to solve, less money makes it harder, but a problem-solving approach is better than throwing up your hands and saying "can't be done".

I mean it seems like another central problem of being old is exponentially increasing health care costs, not all of which Medicare and Social Security cover from what I understand (and of course, who's to say there'll even be Medicare or Social Security by the time I'm old enough for them?)

Aimless, with all due respect, "a problem-solving approach" sounds like GOP boilerplate: another version of up-by-the-bootstraps. For many people under 50, the last 20 years have seen an erosion in the kinds of jobs that would make boilerplates and bootstraps unaffordable. Maybe I read you wrong?

"a problem-solving approach" sounds like GOP boilerplate... Maybe I read you wrong?

Clearly, a political and societal-level solution would be far preferable to an individual one. If you can figure out how to implement a political solution, I will give you a gold medal, dinner and drinks.

a problem-solving approach is better than throwing up your hands and saying "can't be done".

I know it would be reading you wrong to think you are suggesting people under 50 make no attempt to deal with their very real problems within the scope of what they might be able to control, which is their own actions.

I'm not sure how that's possible when their paychecks barely cover food and shelter.

well, then, it's either political change or back to a life expectancy of 66 and old people eating from dumpsters behind the fast food outlets. I choose political change, who's with me?

just tbc telling katherine of all ppl that she can buy a cheap house in nowhere oregon and thereby solve her anxiety about her future and retirement is either trolling or poor judgement

good lord. I respond to jon, she posts 'lmfao' and this becomes "telling katherine of all ppl that she can buy a cheap house in nowhere oregon and thereby solve her anxiety about her future and retirement"?

she posts 'lmfao' and this becomes hmmm may be missing a step in between here iirc

https://static.trulia-cdn.com/pictures/thumbs_6/zillowstatic/ISrxiil6gz9xwp0000000000.jpg

Not that I want to encourage more derailing here, but to go back to the original question... we are fortunate(?) enough to own our house, but that's exactly it - this pandemic isn't helping on any efforts to pay off our mortgage beyond the monthly payments. Since 60 isn't as far away as I'd like, the economy tanking every few years isn't doing us any favors in making that happen.

if it makes you better I wasn't laughing at you, I was laughing, in a gallows-humor way, at the sheer impossibility of me buying property now or at any point if my trajectory/the world's great depression trajectory continues

also I don't really know what "of all people" is supposed to imply here but I'm not trolling and if I did something wrong to provoke that I apologize for it

mordy, you are a good person, but you are expecting me to load 'lmfao' with a lot more meaning than it carries on its face and are challenging my judgment for not responding to 'lmfao' with empathy for a host of tender feelings not discoverable in what she posted.

just to learn from experience honestly

Just try to figure out a way to own the roof over your head and the patch of land it sits on, even if it's just a double-wide trailer.

where would you suggest somebody who lives in Sydney aged 20-50 enact this plan, taking it as read that Prairie City will be impractical

I follow the cheapoldhouses Instagram account and every day there’s a property that makes moving to BFE enticing (but impossible). Abandoned church for $40k! Rural French bungalow for $89k!

in that case I apologize for coming off as critical of anyone or anything but the economy

xp -- I feel like the thing that people are talking past each other about is that living paycheck to paycheck -- which, to be clear, I am not at this time, though it remains to be seen whether I'll still be employed in two weeks -- means that $90K or even $40K is an outlandish, exorbitant amount of money, and quite possibly several times one's yearly income

you have nothing to apologize for, at all

in other news, my mom's unemployment APPEARS to have been approved, but it shows you how incomprehensible their website is that I can't tell for sure.

still, the needle moved.

$40k and $60k houses also usually mean places with 800 residents two hours from a medium sized city, I’m not suggesting they’re realistic to the vast majority of people for reasons even beyond finances.

had to look up BFE so see what it meant, ha.
personally i think of these places as Methtown, USA.

Methandoxyland

i still can't believe that's a 100k house, it's a bit of a shithole

yeah, Aimless's choice looks depressing as hell

this OTOH
https://www.instagram.com/p/CADwhbHBEIP/

dang, that's a dangerous insta.
like, i mighta tried to buy this: https://www.instagram.com/p/B_huzx6Bjru/

or this one, holy shit
https://www.instagram.com/p/B-ntzWuBdwB/

It is by far my favorite social media account.

this is a very trivial concern, all things considered, of course people have real problems, etc.; but I'm really worried about our cat. she isn't taking any of this well

Our cat isn't either, same thing we've heard from friends about theirs. I've read this is really hard for pets, especially those that get used to the alone time and quiet for the majority of the working week. Our cat is much less patient with us and more finicky about everything.

THat test is a killer, blooming nasal swab will get you every time.
Ow.
Well at least it's fast.

for our cat it's the opposite, she's used to people playing with her, not working from home

just to chime in here, you know that if a house is 99k, that doesn't mean you have to have 99k to buy it.

that said, who the fuck wants to live there? I don't. that place looks like it's had 30 years of chained pit bulls shitting in the backyard.

I really do like that instagram account though and I think it actually does a service. these places may be in the middle of fucking nowhere, but lots of those houses are nice. maybe if we see a steep increasing trend toward allowing people who can to WFH we'll see more people fleeing expensive areas and maybe somewhat rehabilitating those other areas? who knows.

xpost i follow an account kind of like that instagram one and there are sooooo many nice inexpensive houses in various places that I fall in love with all the time.

I have lived in the middle of fucking nowhere and it sucks, even during a plague big cities are better.

I feel like there was this guy who used to post here when I lived in fucking nowhere and I'd feebly try to argue otherwise. probably that guy lives in fucking nowhere now though.

some people are ok with living in rural areas currently, in the future. It is a thing.

where was the nowhere, euler?

i am always very into these GA places. PA and upstate NY have a lot of nice houses too.

rural areas also contain multitudes. some of them are great and some of them are shitholes.

i didn't even look at the interior pics of that oregon house until now. it's a gut job. also delightfully close to that national forest that was occupied by right-wing extremists a few years ago.

I lived in horrible Kansass.

a very desolate two hours from the nearest city

yeah, I know nothing about kansas except that book that makes me put it way down on the list.

my cats love this shit afaict. takes all kinds

Much of it is a matter of habit and upbringing tbh. I was born in a metropolis and have lived in another one for the better part of my life so the couple of interludes I've had in smaller towns were hard to bear. Besides, when you're a rootless immigrant, big cities tend to be far more in tune with your general experience of the world.

probably if I'd grown up there I'd have some residual nostalgia, but no, I moved there, willingly, as an adult. It was, for a time, an ok place to think, which is what I get paid to do. But thoughts without intuitions are empty, it's said, and there can be no intuitions where there is nothing to intuit, so the mind turns in on itself. It's inhuman.

no one has to be one thing all the time.

But thoughts without intuitions are empty, it's said, and there can be no intuitions where there is nothing to intuit, so the mind turns in on itself.

Very much so.