everything is 'surprising' or 'disappointing' rather than 'wrong' and 'unacceptable'. It's like he wakes up every morning to be freshly perplexed by how badly the government is letting the side down.
I haven't heard him speak since I learned that he sounds exactly like a muppet, and can't see that changing any time soon but I don't have a problem with this kind of language per se.
One of Labour's long standing issues going back decades has been around perceptions of credibility and professionalism (and on a gut level it seems at least some of the public appear to believe that the opposition is an actual wing of the government...which in a weird way 2017-2019 was even sort of true)
I don't know how much mileage there is in taking the moral high ground when the practical high ground might be better.
Everyone knows the tories are unacceptable and wrong, but there is a perception at least they know where the goal is. Attacking them on their weak spot doesn't work.
― anvil, Monday, 11 May 2020 11:43 (four years ago) link
and because Labour are seen as a de facto permanent opposition, they're just this thing on the sidelines always criticsizing, because thats all they do, thats all they've ever done, always carping never contributing
― anvil, Monday, 11 May 2020 11:46 (four years ago) link
Yeah, i get why he does it but i can also see why his critics to the left find it infuriating.
― ShariVari, Monday, 11 May 2020 11:59 (four years ago) link
Lads people are dying unnecessarily, if you don’t get angry about this what will you get angry about?
― gyac, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:02 (four years ago) link
When I say I would like some more forceful opposition from starmzy I’m not really thinking about 2024 or whatever, more that there’s a catastrophe on the doorstep and people are being told to go back to work. If nothing labour does will have any effect on govt policy why not err on the side of actually saying something? This stuff has to be coming from somewhere, it won’t just magically enter the “national conversation”
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:14 (four years ago) link
People getting most fucked by this are BAME workers, casual workers, London workers, low-paid workers - all the people a Labour Party should be speaking up for.
― gyac, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:19 (four years ago) link
all the people the government has just told to go back to work
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:20 (four years ago) link
“back”
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link
i mean maybe being a tiny tiny bit angry-looking might be acceptable to the great British public or look like something an actual human being might do
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:21 (four years ago) link
xp well yeah
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:22 (four years ago) link
(1)Nick Thomas-Symondsreally struggling on #R4Today trying to avoid the q "should workers refuse to work if they feel it's unsafe"? What's really weak is there is a decent not-too-scary Labour Party answer and it's "Ask their union rep. And if they aren't in a union , join one"— Solomon Hughes (@SolHughesWriter) May 11, 2020
― gyac, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:24 (four years ago) link
it would be if starmzy et al didn’t think unions were a detriment to the party rather than its strength
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:36 (four years ago) link
BBC broadcasting a forensic response to the PM tonight at 18:55 this will be interesting.
― stet, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:36 (four years ago) link
oh boy
― Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:37 (four years ago) link
just listening to a former Ofsted bigwig on the news and remembering why everybody stopped trusting "experts" in the first place
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:37 (four years ago) link
When I say I would like some more forceful opposition from starmzy I’m not really thinking about 2024 or whatever, more that there’s a catastrophe on the doorstep and people are being told to go back to work.
I'm afraid when people itt talk about the next election my eyes glaze over, I can't really think that far ahead at the moment.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:51 (four years ago) link
Aren't they the ones who put him there?
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:52 (four years ago) link
No it was also lots of dodgy right-wing billionaire donors and hundreds of thousands of melted brains that had more of role in putting Starmer there. But the some of the biggest unions didn't help for sure!
― calzino, Monday, 11 May 2020 12:57 (four years ago) link
In terms of votes I meant.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 12:59 (four years ago) link
He won the union members vote in absolute canter didn't he?
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:00 (four years ago) link
Though tbf he won all sections of the Labour Party in a canter.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:02 (four years ago) link
I'm hearing his clips are doing big numbers on BBC website: they are staying in most watched a good while, too
― stet, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:07 (four years ago) link
Those are all calzino ragewatches
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:08 (four years ago) link
https://thenypost.files.wordpress.com/2013/08/laden-300x300.jpg?quality=80&strip=all
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:10 (four years ago) link
I got a frontal lobotomy and won a million on a scratchcard. I think Starmer is good now ftr
― calzino, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:15 (four years ago) link
One of the biggest challenges is that it's going to be hard for individual workers, or their union reps, to know where the degree of safety falls below statutory limits without some pretty specific guidance. The government and unions have discussed what that guidance should be, and how employers should be ensuring distancing, hygiene, etc, but Johnson has preempted publication with the announcement of the return to work. Unions, wherever possible, should be pushing for full-scale industrial action until it's published and the government has outlined how it'll be monitored. I can't see a case-by-case approach being effective.
― ShariVari, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link
Which workers have gone back to work today who weren't already physically going into work for the last few weeks anyway? Lots of people angrily sharing a photo from Canning Town Tube but maybe it's been like that every day. Canning Town is likely to have a much higher proportion of people who are non-white, in low-income or precarious employment and unable to work from home. Photos from other stations suggest that they're much emptier.
― Matt DC, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:22 (four years ago) link
it seems like the only effect this announcement could have would be to make it more likely that unscrupulous employers will turn the screws on staff or illegally lay them off
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:25 (four years ago) link
which i'm sure there'll be a lot more of, mostly unreported, over the next few weeks
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:26 (four years ago) link
Here we go: https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/our-plan-to-rebuild-the-uk-governments-covid-19-recovery-strategy
― stet, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:31 (four years ago) link
subject to successfully controlling the virus and being able to monitor and react to its spread
lockdown forever then
― Flaneuring Bevan (Noodle Vague), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:33 (four years ago) link
A lot of yesterday's announcement was officially green lighting stuff that was happening in an small, undercover scale.
I'm sure we've all seen some construction however yesterday was giving every bit of construction on any scale the go-ahead?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:37 (four years ago) link
And this is all a trial for a re-opening of more things, to be done at a faster pace, for all?
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:39 (four years ago) link
already fucked up with URL XD
― nashwan, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
Lol at the government going 'Health & Safety is destroying our freedoms' or what have you and now having to implement these kinds of safety levels in the workplace.
― xyzzzz__, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:42 (four years ago) link
wfh "for the foreseeable future", which raises questions as to how far in the future the government can foresee.
Workplaces to abide by the COVID-secure guidelines "as soon as is practicable"
Advice to use face-coverings in enclosed spaces.
― ShariVari, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:45 (four years ago) link
As a fee-paying member who wants LOTO to do well, I will still laugh uncontrollably if this becomes the consensus among FBPE types:
Corbyn may bear brunt of labour's failings in relation to Brexit (I am talking about labour I know many will have thoughts on LDs)But if Keir fails to grab this issue firmly & act he will completely toxify himself & condemn nation.— 🔶️🌿⭐Chantelle #PPENow (@ChantellePPENOW) May 11, 2020
A message as confusing as the government's and reminiscent of Corbynesque fence-sitting 😭— ex Brit (@philleehh) May 11, 2020
― glumdalclitch, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:51 (four years ago) link
There's an admission in the document that this is likely to be a long-term crisis and that a lot of these changes are going to be semi-permanent, we aren't going back to normal any time soon.
Some of it is absolutely infuriating, there's a section about travel which states that social distancing rules must be followed on public transport with no indication of how to do that. How on earth is that supposed to happen on the Tube even when services have returned to pre-crisis levels?
― Matt DC, Monday, 11 May 2020 13:53 (four years ago) link
I've been living next to it for the entire duration.
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link
reports are that today, our (first) deconfinement day in France, some lines of the métro have been swamped. just out my window there's an elevated section of one of the lines and this line, one of the busiest normally, hasn't looked particularly crowded today. but you have to have an attestation from your employer in order to ride during peak hours now, which will spread things out a bit. though the RATP doesn't patrol the lines even during normal times, so I'll be surprised if they give many fines today. So much of this relies on the "good will" of people.
― Joey Corona (Euler), Monday, 11 May 2020 13:58 (four years ago) link
COVID-19 has been perhaps the biggest test of governments worldwide since the 1940s. As theGovernment navigates towards recovery, it must ensure it learns the right lessons from this crisisand acts now to ensure that governmental structures are fit to cope with a future epidemic, including the prospect of an outbreak of a second epidemic - for example, a pandemic flu - whilethe Government is still responding to COVID-19.
This will require a rapid re-engineering of government's structures and institutions to deal with thishistoric emergency and also build new long-term foundations for the UK, and to help the rest ofthe world.
Cummings not letting a good crisis go to waste here.
― Matt DC, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:03 (four years ago) link
the new build flats site around the corner from me has never closed. Although by the start of the lockdown it seemed to have been reaching the 2nd-fix stage, but there still has always been multiple work vans parked outside it every day.
― calzino, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:03 (four years ago) link
https://www.constructionnews.co.uk/health-and-safety/revealed-constructions-coronavirus-death-rate-11-05-2020/
― Frank Bough: I Took Drugs with Vice Girls (Tom D.), Monday, 11 May 2020 14:05 (four years ago) link
My autistic son watches some odd stuff on YouTube: domino rallys, bird table footage, aquarium cleaning tips on the dustin's fishtanks channel, japanese candy, screwed & chopped horror versions of cbeebies programs... but today he is mostly watching a boris johnson press conference from last week!
― calzino, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:29 (four years ago) link
such a fine shitpost - I posted it twice
― calzino, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:30 (four years ago) link
All those things sound more a lot more fun and interesting than the press conference.
― Matt DC, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:31 (four years ago) link
I'm trying to imagine if I didn't have a burning hatred in my heart for BJ would there be an asmr quality to his bullshit voice?
― calzino, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:35 (four years ago) link
NEW: 17 Labour MPs – including former leader Jeremy Corbyn – have described the Prime Minister's coronavirus statement as a "thinly veiled declaration of class war": https://t.co/UDNw3xdTEH— LabourList (@LabourList) May 11, 2020
― gyac, Monday, 11 May 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link
But he says everyone understands what the government is trying to do.
He says he thinks people will apply “good, solid British common sense”.
lol we're all going to die.
Also as soft as Starmer is, it's amazing that it takes him to actually raise the childcare issue with Johnson.
"On childcare, Johnson says the government expects employers to be reasonable. If people do not have childcare, they cannot be expected to go to work."
(obviously 'expects' and 'reasonable' are fuck all use to a lot of the people that Starmer should be speaking up for)
― Andrew Farrell, Monday, 11 May 2020 15:08 (four years ago) link