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season one and two good to really good w/ a few pretty bad bits

season three just v v bad

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 20:39 (seventeen years ago) link

i think it will be like buffy season 4.

looks rubbish at first watch and for a while after, but then the revisionists will come along and it will actually be better.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:05 (seventeen years ago) link

see that's what I was hoping, but I'm beginning to think it's qualitatively worse. than Buffy season 4, I mean. I think the only way this season gets redeemed is if it starts being awesome really soon, ot it miraculously gets renewed and next season is awesome. of course, I will continue to watch whether it redeems itself or not.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:14 (seventeen years ago) link

i'll probably watch anyway. there's generally some amusing bits within each episode, even if the full thing isn't satisfying. i'm hardly disliking the time i spend watching it. and hell, for some reason unbeknownst to me, i'm still watching studio 60, which is going from bad to worse, so this is quite good in comparison.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 21:20 (seventeen years ago) link

I was hoping with the new mystery and all this would suddenly kick it up a gear, but this was even duller than what came before!

It's like the whole thing is in a holding pattern - nothing ever changes. Veronica and Logan are together - they break up - they're together - they angst over it - will they break up - Pizz looks hopeful - Pizz looks hurt. There's nothing tying it all together, and every episode seems like it could be the same (except for the woeful rape mystery they began with) I really don't think the writers know what to do.

There were loads of highs and lows before - you always knew a good episode wold come along, or at least something with lots of twists and mystery and intrigue... now it's just like a dull hum in the background, and a twisty story about a monkey. And, does anyone care? There's no real narrative thread and even the Cyrus murder was barely there.

This is totally dif to Buffy season 4, cos that at least had some sense of direction and change - maybe in ways people didn't like, but it was going somewhere. This show seems to be ambling slowly, ever so slowly, to a nothing conclusion - and the fact they're ending the season with five one offs seems to be indicative of that.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:16 (seventeen years ago) link

So, I take it that Paul Rudd does not make his appearance on this episode?

cousin larry bundgee (bundgee), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:18 (seventeen years ago) link

The parts of VM are greater than the sum, possibly for the entirety of the series. The atmosphere, the dialogue, the twists, etc., are sufficient to carry the show, and dammit, last night we were this close to cheesecake Veronica.

c(,,c) (Leee), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:21 (seventeen years ago) link

thought this sequence of scenes was particularly bad & annoying, in the last ep:

keith asking veronica where weevil was scene > veronica & mac's first PHAT meeting scene > keith & weevil in the dean's office scene > veronica & mac's second PHAT meeting scene > veronica arriving home to find keith standing in silence worrying about the dean's scotch scene

RJG (RJG), Wednesday, 24 January 2007 23:30 (seventeen years ago) link

More Wallace!

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 25 January 2007 00:57 (seventeen years ago) link

yes, more Wallace, less Piz, Mac's roommate, new people in general.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 01:02 (seventeen years ago) link

wait how can you guys want more new stuff when you want everything to be like it was in past seasons? ME CONFUSED.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 January 2007 02:35 (seventeen years ago) link

I do like Mac, but that was dull. I don't want everything to be just like before, but I wish the different stories and characters weren't quite so separated. Mac gets to interact with Veronica, Parker, and animal rights boy, and never with Wallace, Weevil, Keith, or Logan. Parker interacts with Mac, Veronica, and Piz, to the exclusion of anyone else. The Keith/O'Dell storyline seems to be happening on a different show. I wouldn't mind more Parker if she became something more than Perky Rape Victim. At this point, the Veronica/Keith scenes are the only ones that consistently seem convincing and entertaining, even when they don't lead to anything. The writers just don't have a very good handle on writing college situations. (Though Dick's first scene was classic.)

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 25 January 2007 03:48 (seventeen years ago) link

no, I want less new stuff. more Wallace, less of everyone new.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 03:50 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, now i see your punctuation. i was fooled by a comma dealie.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:21 (seventeen years ago) link

The way that you've got all these different groups with no connection to one another other than Veronica is quite interesting though, it seems far more like real life than when there's small group where no one has any outside friends. In terms of making the programme better, it's not really working though. I'm still sure there hasn't been an episode yet where everyone in the main credits has been onscreen.

Cressida Breem (neruokruokruokne?), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:37 (seventeen years ago) link

xpost

and the fact they're ending the season with five one offs seems to be indicative of that.

That isn't their fault. the network won't give them the two final episodes, at least not in enough time to properly set up the final arc I assume.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:38 (seventeen years ago) link

yeah, a lot of this season seems realistic, but in ways that are bad for the show. the scattered friendships are one thing, and Veronica and Logan breaking up and getting back together every two minutes is pretty realistic, too, but kind of ridiculous to watch. I mean you could excuse the lack of a narrative arc/narrative momentum by saying it's realistic, too, but it seems more like it's shortsighted writing.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 04:48 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe they should give up on the college thing, and move the show 5 years into the future, when Veronica and Mac have teamed up with Clarence Weidman to violently and unethically fight crime.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 25 January 2007 07:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Oh, I didn't mean to say it was their fault really - more just that's what's happenin' now, and the show is in steady decline and these things aren't helpning. And it seems a fitting finalé that it would go out that way, even more threadbare than before...

I'd take more new stuff, more Wallace for sure, more anything, I'd like to see them trying something - just to fill all this empty space they seem to have going on.

Suedey (John Cei Douglas), Thursday, 25 January 2007 11:54 (seventeen years ago) link

What happened on the last show? My mom 'accidentally' erased it.

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 25 January 2007 19:36 (seventeen years ago) link

Dean Ed Begley's wife asks Keith to investigate his death; she thinks it's murder, not suicide, as everyone assumes. at first he doesn't agree, but then he sees that the dean never opened his bottle of good scotch, which strikes him as weird, so he investigates. He finds out that the "suicide note" found on the dean's computer is identical to a faux suicide note Veronica included in her "plan the perfect murder" paper for professor dude with whom dean's wife was cheating. Keith confronts professor dude (but tries to be all undercover about it until professor dude reveals that he knows who Keith is). professor claims he didn't kill the dean.

the mystery of the week is that a monkey and some rats have been stolen from a medical research lab on campus. Veronica enlists Mac to go undercover with the campus PETA-esque animal rights group ("PHAT") to find out if they liberated the animals. that turns out to be a dead-end, but the leader of the group, an Adrian Grenier lookalike, takes a liking to Mac, and after various roadblocks, they set up a first date and kiss (aw!) this is significant because of Mac being all gunshy because of Beaver last year. it turns out one of the labworkers liberated the monkey himself, and Veronica doesn't rat him out, but her attempt to save the monkey's life (the subjects of research are all eventually killed so they can be autopsied) proves futile, as the scientist in charge just decides to special order another monkey.

Logan and Veronica mope about each other separately all episode. Logan has meaningless sex with a girl we're meant to find trashy. there's a conversation between Veronica and Piz about not being willing to date just anyone and it seems like they might be on the very boring road to hookup, but instead, in the next scene, Veronica shows up on Logan's door, they look all stricken roadkill at each other for like an hour and then start making out. (most annoying moment of the episode in my eyes.)

I think that's it. scenes from next week indicate even more Logan Veronica drama in exactly the same mold as the goddamn rest of the season.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 19:48 (seventeen years ago) link

on the new characters/old characters screentime front, there is NO WALLACE OF ANY KIND and only a little Weevil (do y'all think the actor who plays Weevil might have a meth problem? wtf is up with his face?) there is a whole lot of Parker, Mac's roommate, who I don't dislike necessarily, but just don't care about that much. there's too much Piz for my taste. and then all the PHAT people. Mac's new boy, Adrian Grenier II, is cute, but again, whatever. there was a lot of Mac, obv. I think I might be getting over my Mac-hatred issues. she was super-adorable in this episode.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 25 January 2007 19:56 (seventeen years ago) link

Yay, Mac gets lucky! I saw the first five minutes (that guy looked pretty cool but I'll bet he turns out insance) but I put off watching the end so I could go through sans commercials. Thanks for the recap!

Mary (Mary), Thursday, 25 January 2007 20:05 (seventeen years ago) link

I want to know how Logan's recent trip to jail went!

But generally, S3 is bumming me out.

J (Jay), Friday, 26 January 2007 01:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Maybe they should give up on the college thing, and move the show 5 years into the future, when Veronica and Mac have teamed up with Clarence Weidman to violently and unethically fight crime.-- clotpoll

From what I've heard it's more likely to be post-college, Veronica and Keith trying to make a go of it as a mismatched father and daughter detective duo. Which would be no great shame. I don't know if I've ever been so upset by a tv show as I was at the end of series 2 when it looked like Keith might have been blown out of the sky by the little guy. So, yeah, he should stay.

Jerry the Nipper (Jerrynipper), Friday, 26 January 2007 01:32 (seventeen years ago) link

You guys are so funny. I finally got the chance to watch this episode, and it's not horrible at all. No, the mystery wasn't very hard to figure out, but I like the way it played out anyway; of course, I'm in sympathy with the "message," but so what. And sometimes an episodic drama has to just shovel some snow for a week. But whatever.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Friday, 26 January 2007 04:43 (seventeen years ago) link

more cliff, please

RJG (RJG), Friday, 26 January 2007 09:04 (seventeen years ago) link

By the lesser standards of this season, not a bad episode. Mac's roomie was better than usual, the mystery played out well (but when did Veronica become the worst detective ever? "Hi, I'm new to the group, let's go bomb shit. No I am not at all a narc!"), Mac was awesome. Even the Piz wasn't horrible for five minutes. Then you get Logan back together again, ech.

No matter how bad it gets, I'll keep watching for "tell me he plays the piano."

The only way to salvage this and any future seasons is to kill the Logan-Veronica relationship.

milo z (mlp), Saturday, 27 January 2007 06:24 (seventeen years ago) link

There seems to be a lot of the "First, Veronica has to make the wrong assumptions about people and end up looking like an idiot when she offends everybody" going on.

The Ultimate Conclusion (lokar), Saturday, 27 January 2007 20:11 (seventeen years ago) link

more cliff, please

OTM. Also, more Vinnie Van Lowe.

The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Sunday, 28 January 2007 09:39 (seventeen years ago) link

I'm bummed too. FIRST OF ALL -- they shouldn't have killed off Aaron Echolls. It would have been much more interesting with him hanging around bein creepy. OR -- what happened to Logan's mom? I miss that creepy pair. SECOND -- WHERE IS WALLACE???? I don't care about Logan & Veronica anymore, they are only interesting when they hate each other. At least the funny/witty dialogue is still around, BUT YEAH ... WHERE IS THE QUALITY MYSTERY? ugh.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:53 (seventeen years ago) link

Logan's mom jumped off a bridge (or "jumped").

milo z (mlp), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:54 (seventeen years ago) link

Or that could have been staged, but you have to figure they would play the 'come out of hiding' card right after Aaron got popped if that was the story.

milo z (mlp), Monday, 29 January 2007 03:56 (seventeen years ago) link

well they made it seem like she MAY OR MAY NOT be dead and I thought FOR SURE she would come back. I guess they are both too busy dancin with the stars. Or dancin with dancers since they are the stars...I guess.

gunther heartymeal (keckles), Monday, 29 January 2007 04:00 (seventeen years ago) link

this might have been mentioned upthread, but the reason each episode only features a subset of the entire cast is because they can't afford to pay all of them. so you get a mac episode, then a wallace one, and so on.

fortunate hazel (f. hazel), Monday, 29 January 2007 05:04 (seventeen years ago) link

total snoozer this week - but hey, cute hooker.

milo z (mlp), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 22:40 (seventeen years ago) link

Really? I thought this was a good episode. But then I think this show is pretty much always good.

The Yellow Kid (The Yellow Kid), Wednesday, 31 January 2007 23:15 (seventeen years ago) link

I liked it more than last week's. The Logan/Veronica stuff actually seemed pretty well-done, despite the constant threat of falling into painful soap opera. The A-plot was fun, even though Veronica did some incredibly stupid things (blackmailing a judge, getting in scary limo). Still, Wallace and Cliff better show up soon, and they need to stop wasting Weevil's appearances.

clotpoll (Clotpoll), Thursday, 1 February 2007 00:48 (seventeen years ago) link

The Dave Gibbons book Dorkus was talking about was The Originals, right?

c(,,c) (Leee), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:22 (seventeen years ago) link

HYPNOTIZED

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 1 February 2007 17:58 (seventeen years ago) link

THAT IS REALLY VERY DISTURBING, TRACER HAND!

I haven't seen this episode yet.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:08 (seventeen years ago) link

Disturbing in the YEAH, AWESOME sense of the word.

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:20 (seventeen years ago) link

whateva, that is not my image of V Mars!

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:21 (seventeen years ago) link

That's why it's awesome! I'm out of my comfort zone! Something is happening in my pajamas!

do i have to draw you a diaphragm (Rock Hardy), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:24 (seventeen years ago) link

that pelvic thrust thing was SUPER CRINGE-WORTHY this week.

be home by 11 (orion), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:34 (seventeen years ago) link

I had a strong but undefinable reaction to her Barenaked Ladies rock-out a couple weeks back. Like a whole jumble of embarrassment / repulsion / attraction / amazement / horror / desire / etc.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:39 (seventeen years ago) link

okay, but Kristen Bell is lovely and amazing. this shit is not her fault. fucking CW.

horseshoe (horseshoe), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:40 (seventeen years ago) link

I think it was hilarious, and I'm a little frightened ONCE AGAIN at how bad everyone needs that character to stay in high school.

Haikunym (Haikunym), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link

haha xpost

I mean, Bell can make a whole lot of stuff seem convincingly awesome, but then there are certain things that are just ... and then she hits them so valiantly and confidently anyway.

nabisco (nabisco), Thursday, 1 February 2007 18:41 (seventeen years ago) link


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