Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

Do you mean in general or the Times specifically? I think Clinton's full name was mentioned a lot back then.

A better comp might be Carter and Ford who are also both Jrs

Don't you cease to be a junior once senior dies? I know I stopped using mine once my dad kicked. There only being one of us left, after all...

It is customary to use "the younger" when there may be confusion. Cf. Pliny, Pitt, etc.

what if joe biden is actually the hottest bad boy in the game?

Op-Ed: How Joe Biden Can Defeat Trump From His Basement

If Joe Biden plays his cards right, the death of the traditional presidential campaign will turn out to be a blessing in disguise. The 77-year-old Mr. Biden, whom the president derisively calls “Sleepy Joe,” can become the hottest bad boy and disrupter in the media game.

I think Clinton's full name was mentioned a lot back then.

yeah that's the style in reporting on legal proceedings

It is customary to use "the younger" when there may be confusion. Cf. Pliny, Pitt, etc.

Sometimes, especially towards the end of his career, I'd sometimes see the Jr. dropped from Ken Griffey--he was Ken Griffey, period, his father was Sr. If the son eclipses the father's fame significantly, and is the only one anybody ever talks about, the Jr. seems redundant. (Having said that, because I grew up a Reds fan in the '70s, I still said Ken Griffey, Jr. But to a kid who only knew the younger, I'm sure that felt weird.)

weird for the nytimes to call him joseph r. biden, jr. should stick with "sleepy joe."

You can't post a link without the funniest line

By Lis Smith
Ms. Smith advised campaigns by Pete Buttigieg, Andrew Cuomo and Barack Obama.

They didn't use to say 'William Jefferson Clinton' in 1992, did they?

They did indeed, usually when they were explaining how he brutally murdered Vince Foster

Plus there was that great single R.E.M. put out during the Lewinsky scandal, "William Jefferson Clinton (I Think We're Lost)."

If the son eclipses the father's fame significantly, and is the only one anybody ever talks about, the Jr. seems redundant.

Robert Downey Jr still keeping the flame

larry mullen jr

I saw larry mullen junior walking with the queen

doing the werewolves of london

MLK Jr.

MLK Jr.

his hair was perfect

I thought this was solid reasoning

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/05/06/opinion/tara-reade-joe-biden-vote.html

Written by one of the reporters: https://www.vox.com/2020/5/7/21248713/tara-reade-joe-biden-sexual-assault-accusation

A data point, nothing more.

Tara Reade has hired high-powered Manhattan attorney Douglas Wigdor. He is a Trump supporter. pic.twitter.com/0f1DBLLhwm

— Philip Wegmann (@PhilipWegmann) May 7, 2020

I mean would David Boies take her case?

Just hiring a lawyer, in itself, is not suspicious. If Ms. Reade is given the full Richard Mellon Scaife Red Carpet Treatment by some conservative billionaire who pays her legal fees, hires image consultants, buys her clothes and generally subsidizes her pursuit of Biden in the courts, then I will smell a rat.

I suspect this particular lawyer is not cheap. Does anybody know what Tara Reade does for a living?

Pro bono cases are requirements.

https://www.sanluisobispo.com/news/politics-government/article242527331.html

Tara Reade is a curious character.

Through my lens, President Putin brought a chaotic and failed nation to become a vibrant, creative, economic force within a decade. I don’t care what your politics; just admit that his sheer, calculated vision and willful energy brought Russia back to be a world power. Now, I said this to a friend recently, she waved her glass of Merlot at me and began the “anti-Russia” lecture...I start to drift. I listen to the Sade song playing in the background “The Sweetest Taboo” as she speaks. When she finishes, I say, “Well, he is very good to women, holds them in high regard.”

President Putin has an alluring combination of strength with gentleness. His sensuous image projects his love for life, the embodiment of grace while facing adversity... President Putin’s obvious reverence for women, children and animals, and his ability with sports is intoxicating to American women.

A court document from 1996 shows former Senate staffer Tara Reade told her ex-husband she was sexually harassed while working for Joe Biden in 1993.

The declaration — exclusively obtained by The Tribune in San Luis Obispo, California — does not say Biden committed the harassment nor does it mention Reade’s more recent allegations of sexual assault.

Reade’s then-husband Theodore Dronen wrote the court declaration. Dronen at the time was contesting a restraining order Reade filed against him days after he filed for divorce, Superior Court records show.

Sanpaku, the Putin shit doesn't mean anything to me tbh.

Oh god I didn't expand the thread before cntl-Fing. Mea culpa.

I’m sure the sixth time someone posts that fucking Putin thing it won’t seem like an irrelevant attempt to undermine a sexual assault claim

Xpost ffs

Anyway fuck Joe Biden

I for one can’t believe that a woman facing mountains of media scrutiny AND death threats hired a lawyer.

ew no

xpost

Bazinga!

wtf @ some posts here

That McGann piece in Vox was good.

yeah, i thought so too

ok that's it, i'm out of this thread

i guess i’m late on this but i was pretty surprised reade chose to have her interview conducted by megyn kelly of all... ghouls. this whole thing blows

the Vox piece was illuminating but really only through a journalist's lens. Reporting absolutely demands that level of rigor and it's good to see a journalist actually grappling with these contradictory pieces of the puzzle in an honest way, but I don't think the rest of us should feel so obligated. I am inclined to believe Reade's account(s) until it/they are flatly shown to be false, mainly because I have zero authority to comment on how trauma can affect a person's recollection or characterization of events and also because it seems like the instances of a person willingly putting themselves through this much public scrutiny just to disseminate a false accusation, while they do exist, are proportionally extremely small.

it seems like the instances of a person willingly putting themselves through this much public scrutiny just to disseminate a false accusation, while they do exist, are proportionally extremely small

Politics and celebrity break people's brains.

Oh, okay.

Politics and celebrity break people's brains.

Yeah, they make some of you start cosplaying Brock Turner's lawyers.

"celebrity"

fuck outta here

i genuinely feel like this is always coming from the same person

it's always other people's brains that are broken isn't it

i don't know why i'm back, i guess i just hate myself, but i just wanted to add some information regarding unperson's misleading "data point" upthread

Wigdor is well known for his work on prominent cases related to sexual harassment and assault. He represented six women who accused Harvey Weinstein, the disgraced Hollywood producer, of sexual misconduct. He has also represented a number of Fox News employees in cases alleging gender and racial discrimination at the network, including Juliette Huddy, one of the women who accused Bill O’Reilly of pursuing a sexual relationship with her and retaliating when she refused. In 2018, he spoke out in the media defending Christine Blasey Ford, the woman who accused Supreme Court nominee Brett Kavanaugh of sexual assault.

Wigdor has been a supporter of Trump and provided about $55,000 in campaign contributions in 2016, according to Federal Election Commission records. He has also given tens of thousands of dollars to state and local Democratic politicians in New York, including New York Rep. Hakeem Jeffries and New York Attorney General Letitia James. He has not donated to either Trump’s or Biden’s 2020 campaign.

https://apnews.com/10d2842623b2c299e2c673bf5a9e23ff

it's also because i'm a lawyer and it pisses me off when people go "OOOOH SHE GOT A LAWYER" as if it means anything other than they needed a fucking lawyer

This is a horrid thread and nobody should post to it anymore, it’s just an octagon at this point

Women otm but jesus fuck we have to beat trump