love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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The London Mayoral election is delayed for a year, isn't it? So Khan gets an extra year that he hadn't earned, though it may not be a very welcome one?

Labour used to ask me to campaign for Khan but I'm not sure I'll even vote for him.

the pinefox, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:17 (six years ago)

Thinking a bit more about this furlough thing - the scheme is pretty much the only thing preventing hundreds of thousands of businesses from simply running out of cash right now. On the assumption that the Treasury doesn't actually want this to happen (because, y'know, economic disaster, widespread unemployment + soaring benefits bill + gigantic hole in the tax base + slower recovery) it feels like an attempt to push more of the debt burden from the public to the private sector. Which will become unsustainable pretty fast if it isn't safe to restart things. I suppose that's what the taxpayer-backed loans are for but both Dodds and Miliband have pointed out that these are inadequate.

We're also going to get soaring consumer debt as furlough money starts being withdrawn. The people most at risk are likely to be people working in the leisure or hospitality sectors because those aren't going to be restarting for months yet and even when they do they're likely to be on reduced footfall. And business confidence more generally is going to be anaemic until we have properly got the virus under control, regardless of any "back to work!" rhetoric coming from the government.

Being even more cynical, I suspect they've picked July because it's the start of Q3. But all this is pretty much a recipe for a financial crisis or mass loan defaults, with the government picking up the bill whatever happens.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:27 (six years ago)

That extra year probably wrecks Khan's own plan - because he'll still be sitting in City Hall by the time Starmer loses to Johnson and therefore unable to run for Parliament and the leadership?

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:28 (six years ago)

I can't see Khan ever running for leader, tbh.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:42 (six years ago)

I bet he can.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:45 (six years ago)

idk, he's ambitious but if Starmer fails, i'm not sure the Labour centre/right is going to go for 'Starmer but Muslim', particularly when he's already a lighting rod for every racist and Islamophobe in the country.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 10:57 (six years ago)

Depends on how ambitious he is and whether he has sufficient support from the benches (I don't see why he wouldn't). I can't really imagine what it's like being a member of his immediate family and he's also very likely to decide it just isn't worth the trauma.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:03 (six years ago)

Love too live in a democracy.

Truly incredible video. Watch this and gasp (again) at the BBC: pic.twitter.com/9w0TfUw5Gk

— Liam Young (@liamyoung) May 6, 2020

gyac, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:09 (six years ago)

Khan isn’t going to run. It’ll make the campaign against Corbyn look like Tony’s 1997 cruise into no 10.

gyac, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:12 (six years ago)

jesus christ that Radio 4 thing

clap for content-providers (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:16 (six years ago)

If I was Khan I'd already be concerned about the very real possibility of a Mair type deranged assassin coming after me as London mayor never mind Labour party leader and might think it too dangerous a move to make in what is a right wing emboldened and quite deranged political milieu right now. But that's as far as my sympathy and empathy goes with this fucking creep!

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:18 (six years ago)

https://www.theguardian.com/technology/2018/feb/01/matt-hancock-mp-app-released

so the app has launched will anyone be downloading it

conrad, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:22 (six years ago)

not even with Starmers cold dead severed hands!

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:23 (six years ago)

If I was Khan I'd already be concerned about the very real possibility of a Mair type deranged assassin coming after me as London mayor never mind Labour party leader and might think it too dangerous a move to make in what is a right wing emboldened and quite deranged political milieu right now. But that's as far as my sympathy and empathy goes with this fucking creep!


This already happened, it was the Finsbury Park killer

gyac, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:26 (six years ago)

That Novara thing has been silently deleted, huh

stet, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 11:59 (six years ago)

'ending with a smile' is as old as the hills - that's all that was.

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:13 (six years ago)

The attached graphic about trust in the written press, published last week, has not been widely reported in Britain. This is a huge annual survey by @EurobarometerEU across 33 countries. It's the ninth year out of the past ten that the UK has been last. We have a problem. pic.twitter.com/8eYoQR7XZw

— Brian Cathcart (@BrianCathcart) May 5, 2020

The Cognitive Peasant (ogmor), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:14 (six years ago)

going out on top, baby!

imago, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:16 (six years ago)

British public are good again.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:26 (six years ago)

Clarification: This morning we shared a clip of a paper review on the Today programme cut together with the headlines being discussed in which the Guardian's headline was replaced with story about otters.

— Novara Media (@novaramedia) May 6, 2020

gyac, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:34 (six years ago)

Interesting: PHE ordering govt comms hubs to take down all “Stay Home” messaging by Saturday night. Looks like we are getting a new slogan from PM... told: “Please ensure that all Stay Home messaging is removed from websites, social media and any other available channels“

— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) May 6, 2020

gyac, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:37 (six years ago)

“Wash your hands for the length of we’ll meet again and get to fucking work peasants” is it

Microbes oft teem (wins), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:39 (six years ago)

Go Forth And Multiply.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 12:39 (six years ago)

boris 'regrets' the care home epidemic, apparently, which presumably means that he's neither apologetic nor responsible but he gets to say something platitudinous that cretins will give him credit for

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:12 (six years ago)

Whatever this is I have a suspicion we're about to witness a fuckup of genuinely historical proportions.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:16 (six years ago)

i can't see how it leads to anything else tbh

to not even wait and see how easing lockdowns plays out in france and italy before we even start thinking about our next step seems basically genocidal

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:20 (six years ago)

we still don't have enough PPE, capacity for adequate testing/contract tracing etc to cope with getting hit by a 2nd spike. I just can't think what could possibly go right.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:21 (six years ago)

but red line go down tho

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:23 (six years ago)

still don't have enough PPE to even cope with now when we are supposedly past the peak

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:24 (six years ago)

no it's fine now, i hear schoolkids are making it with 3d printers

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:30 (six years ago)

Feels like Boris has a whole new coalition to try and keep together between the emerging ardent-capitalist back-to-work fucks faction and the, idk, let's-not-kill-the-olds faction? In other circumstances you'd love to see it – feels like they were united as a party for about three weeks after he sacked all the Remainers.

stet, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:33 (six years ago)

And it does seem like Boris is on the side of the let's-not-die faction, which is not where I'd have put him, near-death experience or no

stet, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:33 (six years ago)

give him some time

Millennials are using this app to speak in just 3 weeks. (bizarro gazzara), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:36 (six years ago)

I doubt he would have been had he not shat himself over his clog-popping episode.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:38 (six years ago)

In fact, I'm certain of it as he doesn't care about anyone other than Boris Johnson.

Angry Question Time Man's Flute Club Band (Tom D.), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:39 (six years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXVKrS-UcAA43Ks?format=jpg&name=small

Juist a humble wee crofter wi' his bonnie tartan curtains!

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:41 (six years ago)

I'm not really sure who they are planning on sending back to work next week? It can't be schools, surely? Non-essential shops?

I wonder if businesses themselves have taken legal advice over what to do if employees start dying because they've been rushed back.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:43 (six years ago)

media drip feeding of stuff about necessity of resuming bau asap has already been influencing the attitudes of my (usually anti-tory) IRL associates sadly. really terrible idea

What's (Left), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:46 (six years ago)

Reinforces the idea that the reason business isn't being done is because of the lockdown, rather than because of the virus. Decisions were being put on hold, redundancies were being mooted, investment was being pulled before the lockdown and it isn't going to magically come back because it has been lifted.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:51 (six years ago)

if schools aren’t open how is anyone going to go back to work? innit

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 13:55 (six years ago)

Take your kid to work day would be a right blast when pops' works at an industrial battery hen barn!

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:00 (six years ago)

Schools will be at the start of June but likely to only be certain grades. I'd expect them to have stronger restrictions over the number of learners in a classroom, mandate lunch in shifts, etc, but can't realistically see them shutting individual schools down for deep cleaning, isolating classes, etc, if pupils show symptoms.

ShariVari, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:00 (six years ago)

Wondering what the scientific consensus is about the R0 number right now and what that's expected to look like in three or four weeks' time.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:04 (six years ago)

Could it be they're floating random stuff again to gauge what they'll be able to get away with? Optimistic, I know.

Daniel_Rf, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:30 (six years ago)

Sounds like one malicious person could send thousands of people into self-isolation by riding around the Circle Line all day. Is this what happens when you try to get on the testing and contact tracing app bandwagon, without a proper testing infrastructure? https://t.co/NIda6ZtptZ

— Jon Stone (@joncstone) May 6, 2020

Oh dear.

Matt DC, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:42 (six years ago)

Back to the drawing board eh lads? Well probably not

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 14:48 (six years ago)

Ideas for the Gatwick drone guy if he's still around.

nashwan, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 15:02 (six years ago)

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EXVYKa_U0AI8XKO?format=jpg&name=medium

Hyperrealist depiction of today's PMQ's.

calzino, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 16:59 (six years ago)

Extraordinary analysis from #DowningStreetBriefing pic.twitter.com/rFbqedGDUM

— JamesClayton (@JamesClayton5) May 6, 2020

stet, Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:06 (six years ago)

so if i’m only getting 80% of my salary does that mean it’s “increased over time” since i didn’t have a job for the first 16 years of my life?

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 6 May 2020 17:16 (six years ago)


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