Are you considering purchasing a gun?

Who said I was being flip?

Actually what kind of psychopath parachutes into a thread about guns and says "oh, the dude wondering about how people live with themselves after killing someone, what a laugh he's having"? Fuck off.

Despite getting a sharpshooter marksmanship badge in the Army Reserve (a hospital unit in the doldrums after the 1st Gulf war), I still find the things repellent. I sold my grandfather's two long-guns 20 years ago, and was surprised at how much they were still worth. Didn't want them in the house as I was having a lot of suicidal ideation at the time. So, I'll never own one.

most grievous comma splice

it was precisely because black men owned guns, among other obvious reasons

is that a zing

thought that post of Alfred’s was interesting

thanks

It’s still not obvious to me what you plan to do with the gun.

can't imagine ever shooting anyone

fire warning shots and wave it at passing raiders from behind the improvised fortification i've built on my roof top

is that so

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0vWgx1I6qrY

I'm no expert at all (and would never consider having a gun) but I think warning shots are common in the military so surely they have a use !

fire warning shots and wave it at passing raiders from behind the improvised fortification i've built on my roof top

Lol, sure, sure you will.

I mean, I hope that was a joke.

The paradox of gun ownership to me is that if things get bad enough that you will truly need a gun, the only thing you will need it for is to quickly end you and your loved ones lives when the food supply has broken down. /sanpaku

The paradox of gun ownership to me is that if things get bad enough that you will truly need a gun, the only thing you will need it for is to quickly end you and your loved ones lives when the food supply has broken down. /sanpaku

― Night of the Living Crustheads (PBKR), Tuesday, June 2, 2020 8:24 AM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

otm. The Charles Bronson standoff / hero of the zombie apocalypse narrative is perhaps the most baffling of the many enduring maga fantasies

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/06/11/opinion/coronavirus-gun-deaths-suicide.html
reproducing in its entirety (minus graphs) below for those without a login

Coronavirus Could Make America’s Gun Problem Even Deadlier
We studied 26 million Americans over 12 years. Here’s what we learned about gun ownership.
By David Studdert, Matthew Miller and Garen Wintemute

Millions of Americans have experienced the coronavirus pandemic directly, as they or their loved ones suffered through infection. But for most of us, the experience is defined by weeks and months on end stuck at home. The shut-ins are testing the safety of our home environments. Stress and isolation combined with another feature of American life — easy access to firearms — could form a deadly brew.

Last week we released results of a new study — the largest ever on the connection between suicide and handgun ownership — in The New England Journal of Medicine revealing that gun owners were nearly four times as likely to die by suicide than people without guns, even when controlling for gender, age, race and neighborhood.

Several myths cloud public understanding of the connection between guns and suicide. Perhaps the most pernicious is the idea that people who really want to end their lives will find a way to do it, making the presence or absence of a gun somewhat irrelevant.

Decades of research on suicide tell a different story. Suicide attempts are often impulsive, prompted by fleeting crises. A vast majority of people who attempt suicide survive and do not go on to die in a future suicide. But whether attempters get that second chance at life depends a lot on the method they use, which in turn depends on what is readily at hand. Firearms afford few second chances. In sum, methods matter.

Our study compiled information on 26 million Americans over 12 years. We tracked handgun acquisitions in a large sample of California residents and then compared the frequency of death among those who did and didn’t own them.

The elevated suicide rates among handgun owners were driven by their higher rates of suicide by firearm — eight times higher for men and 35 times higher for women, compared with non-owners of the same gender. By contrast, handgun owners did not have higher rates of suicide from other methods or higher rates of death by other causes. These results are consistent with those from every serious study that has examined the relationship between gun access and suicide in the United States. If anything, we find a stronger connection than most others have.

A lack of good data has long hampered efforts to improve understanding of gun violence in the United States. California is probably the only state in which this study could have been done. The state requires all firearm sales to be transacted through a licensed dealer, and records of these transactions are reported and archived, creating a unique statewide repository. (The fact that only a few states gather such records greatly inhibits researchers’ ability to measure the risks and benefits of gun ownership.) This comprehensive historical information allowed us to identify people acquiring their first handgun, and then see what happened to them over time. Knowing about gun stocks and purchasing histories is important, because an owner’s first gun is likely to matter much more than his or her second or 10th one.

The period of greatest suicide risk for first-time handgun owners was the initial few weeks of ownership, when it soared to be 100 times greater than that for non-owners. Nonetheless, 85 percent of all gun suicides among owners occurred more than a month after purchase, and more than half occurred more than a year later. Taken together, these findings suggest that while some people who die by gun suicide buy their weapons intending to kill themselves, that isn’t true for most who die this way — their deaths reflect the substantial and enduring risk posed by access to handguns.

Better information about gun stocks and purchasing histories would also be valuable for disentangling the effects of the Covid-19 crisis on firearm violence. News reports and commentators have focused on spikes in guns sales. But how many of those sales are to new gun owners? Unfortunately, we may never know. Also, purchasing spikes tend to be short-lived, ultimately accounting for a small fraction of total sales over the longer run. None of this is to suggest that concerns about rising rates of gun violence during shutdowns are unfounded. But expect the largest public health impact to come from rising levels of violence in the estimated 40 million American households that had guns long before the pandemic struck.

People buy and keep firearms for many reasons. When it comes to handguns, surveys consistently show self-protection at the top of the lists. Despite colorful anecdotes of armed defense of home and hearth, there has not been a credible study demonstrating the security benefits of private gun ownership for individuals or communities. On the other hand, evidence that guns may be misused and do serious harm — to owners and their family members, including children — is substantial and growing. It’s a lopsided balance sheet that should give pause to people who own guns or are considering buying their first gun.

David Studdert is a professor at the Stanford University schools of law and medicine. Matthew Miller is a professor at Northeastern University. Garen Wintemute is a professor at the U.C. Davis School of Medicine.

for the tl;dr among you, the big takeaway is “gun owners were nearly four times as likely to die by suicide than people without guns, even when controlling for gender, age, race and neighborhood.” That's based on a study of 26 million americans over a twelve year period.

seriously.

Yes, and don't assume you're immune because you're not depressed. If you take any kind of mind-altering/mood-altering substance, including alcohol, you're at risk. Don't want to offer any horrible details but I had a friend die that way while drunk, and I'm 99.9% sure he wasn't suicidal when he was sober.

I’m a Black American. I Need a Gun to Feel Safe in This Country.

https://jalopnik.com/the-tsa-is-finding-tons-of-guns-on-people-flying-in-the-1844676075

Best keep calzino off this thread when he comes back, you can't be too careful.

at least this joke gun wasn't loaded

Best keep calzino off this thread when he comes back, you can't be too careful.

― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:11 AM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

jesus christ get over it

Jesus Christ, develop a sense of humour why don't you.

Stupid cunt.

Jesus Christ, develop a sense of humour why don't you.

― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:17 AM bookmarkflaglink

Stupid cunt.

― Young Boys of Bernie (Tom D.), Tuesday, August 11, 2020 9:18 AM bookmarkflaglink

Haha, love this kind of humour.

Was rather witty, wasn't it?

You’re an ass, fuck off.

Touchy lot aren't you?

Fuck off.

Go on try warning me how many FPs I've got, you dick.

You're an ass, fuck off.

I hope you guys aren't considering buying a gun.

These posts are like the equivalent of people buying guns but just stroking them, or something..

tom d, might be worth taking a breather. if you go onto other threads talking trash on calzino, you're bound to run into resistance, so in effect you're picking fights with random people at this point. i've definitely been at that point before - just saying, it might be a good thing to just step back for a bit

Trash talking calzino? That'll be the day.

I don't understand what's happening here and I'm okay with that

Nothing worth bothering about.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=we37yX3zpKA

WHAT IS THIS 😭 pic.twitter.com/JueFatO892

— jess (@_joodlehead) August 10, 2020

The only acceptable open carry
https://i.imgur.com/ZdrcboR.jpg

haven't FPed in a while, but today is a new day

That was a pro-ranch post.

https://frinkiac.com/video/S06E25/TuszCgPU3ILm2jAj9nDyfzCE9lI=.gif

https://cbsnews3.cbsistatic.com/hub/i/r/2018/02/28/192d47ed-163b-46e8-bc84-76174029f385/thumbnail/1240x866/a4aee7c845dcb8e456c21a1e5fa8c56e/ap-18059675312394.jpg

I was FPing the mess upthread, tbc

if I couldn’t accept getting called a stupid cunt every once in a while I wouldn’t be on ILX

Wtf xpost