Are you considering purchasing a gun?

Statistics show cyanide pills overwhelmingly kill the people who had them installed

did you answer the door while holding a gun? to protect yourself?

no I was armed only w my matching leopard print pyjamas

in retrospect I am fortunate they did not mistake me for an actual leopard

they recognized you were a good guy leopard

Additionally, I think that building up a culture of gun ownership on the left could perhaps take some of the heat off.

Nice.

I'm still working through the political ramifications of "allies" who can pass for white belittling and mocking the fears of people who can't in a society filled with white people who own guns and a legal framework that permits them to justify killing non-white people.

I'm trying to come to a conclusion that isn't "allies don't actually exist"

jfc are you buying a gun or not

I mean go with God and your gun

I really just don’t understand what problem is solved by buying a gun for your house. How are you going to have time to remove your gun from the safe, disengage the lock, and load it before the militia at your door gets you? You’re going to unload, lock, and lock up your gun right?

it makes u feel strong

That’s why I post

I really just don’t understand what problem is solved by buying a gun for your house. How are you going to have time to remove your gun from the safe, disengage the lock, and load it before the militia at your door gets you? You’re going to unload, lock, and lock up your gun right?

― silby, Tuesday, April 28, 2020 12:42 PM (seven minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is definitely something I've wondered about. From what I have gleaned online, it seems like you could do a halfway measure where you keep a shotgun loaded but without one in the chamber and then keep it in a quick-access safe or something -- that way no risk of accidental going off and no kid access, but still can be grabbed pretty quickly and ready to fire with a pump. The greatest scenario in which I can imagine a gun being useful is a burglary or scaring off an individual or small group trying to harass or harm us. In a true militia/civil war type scenario you'd need your own militia and military training to have a prayer, and I'm probably too old for that now (although I seem to see a lot of older guys in way worse shape showing up in camo at these right wing protests/events). Plus the amount of time and effort I'd have to put in seems grossly disproportionate to any likely benefit. In an extreme scenario, fleeing seems like a way better option than sticking around.

DJP you're on a forum that's like 99% antigun and you've been considering buying a gun for several years. i think that's the main driver of the anti-gun sentiment you're facing. i recognize the fear you must feel, and that's about as much as an ally i can be on that. i'm never going to think it's a good idea for an otherwise smart person to obtain a personal firearm in the interest of personal protection. i can't make a clause that exempts people because of the fear that they feel, because that doesn't change the underlying badness of the idea. on the other side, you could just...buy a gun. it doesn't matter what i think! i won't know if you do or don't! but i'm not going to pretend like i think it's a good idea. all i can do is point to all of the reasons it's a bad idea for everyone to own a gun (which i've done ad nauseum for years now).

(although I seem to see a lot of older guys in way worse shape showing up in camo at these right wing protests/events)

I suspect these people are mostly cosplayers with live ammunition

come on karl be a good ally and let djp post about maybe probably definitely thinking about for sure buying a gun for another 3 years

i think djp should buy a gun, if that is what we are polling. he seems like he would be a responsible gun owner.

if I lived out in the country I would probably consider buying a gun. I otherwise have no interest in the culture or collecting or bitching about my rights being taken away if they became prohibited.

feel like I've I were a longtime gun owner I would've def killed myself at some stage. just too easy a method to have at your disposal 24/7

I’ve been reading so many bad covid opinions the last few months it’s almost refreshing to read dumb opinions about why actually *I* am a good person to have a gun because

i think he would be a fantastic gun owner! but it's kind of like driving - it's inherently dangerous. you can be the most responsible driver of all time, but some other dumbass can still kill you in a heartbeat. there's more than one variable in the equation. the local police teams that like to show up and (understandably) assume that anyone holding a gun is a malign actor is part of that equation. so is the possibility of someone who isn't djp getting their hands on a gun and not being quite so responsible.

if I lived out in the country I would probably consider buying a gun.

Why?

"get off my property"

the few times i've had a gun pointed at me have all been out in the country

one time i was just a kid exploring the woods near our house, and although i guess i understood that i was on someone else's property when i hopped the fence on our property's perimeter, it wasn't until the shotgun went off that i really understood how seriously some people take it

Jim otm, it's the main reason I wouldn't get one myself

Buy a gun and you too can say, "Get off my property".

but yeah, having a gun in the country is 10% in case a wild animal does something and you need to protect your outdoor cat, and 90% scaring the hell out of stoned teenagers who wind up on your property

Jim otm, it's the main reason I wouldn't get one myself

― k*r*n koltrane (Simon H.)

same here

yeah, i would say a large part of those that have guns out in the country are those libertarian/distrustful of everything types. I was just thinking of being far far from any type of assistance and also because of wild animals. I hate crossbows.

men and killing themselves with guns is a whole other thing.

I'm still working through the political ramifications of "allies" who can pass for white belittling and mocking the fears of people who can't in a society filled with white people who own guns and a legal framework that permits them to justify killing non-white people.

― DJP

hmmm. have i been belittling or mocking your fears? i haven't really seen that here, but i am very definitely white so there might be something i'm missing

I really just don’t understand what problem is solved by buying a gun for your house. How are you going to have time to remove your gun from the safe, disengage the lock, and load it before the militia at your door gets you? You’re going to unload, lock, and lock up your gun right?

A lot of people who buy home defense guns just leave them in a nightstand or something IME but for someone whose brain isn't mush (like djp) there are quick release safes with fingerprint scanners and stuff, it doesn't have to be an Old West bank fault deal.

btw, the true advanced protectors of the home should look into buying one of those DARPA-grade EMTs that can make people temporarily lose their minds. i'd much rather deploy one of those when you hear a bump in the night, rather than grabbing a gun or a barbwire baseball bat or whatever people use these days

That was to Karl, who at this point can fuck off.

btw, the true advanced protectors of the home should look into buying one of those DARPA-grade EMTs that can make people temporarily lose their minds.

― let me be your friend on the other end! (Karl Malone)

failing to see the benefit of this, at least the way you're phrasing it

had a gun fired off in the air near me last year. friends booked an Airbnb with some land on an island. one of the peripheral friends brought some big firework for some reason, or had it on his person anyway.

we were told by the Airbnb hosts that if we were going to make noise at night we should go down by the firepit, which was on one side of the property, away from the 2 neighbours' houses, which weren't visible from the house, but where somewhat nearby.

anyway, at some stage in the evening, while tripping on LSD, a loud bang went off. it was presumed this was the big firework although in hindsight it didn't sound like a firework - I've heard a shotgun fired a couple of times before, it sounded like that. the next day the guy with the firework informed us all he hadn't let it off as he hadn't thought it advisable. the Airbnb hosts had a complaint from their nearest neighbor a farmer, who was livid about us having been noisy at night.

on the other side of the firing guns in the air thing my beloved grandfather (in Glasgow) once fired a shotgun in the air because kids from a nearby scheme (barlanark) were throwing rocks at his house. the police did charge him and he ended up with a criminal conviction but he had his guns back in few years.

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i don't think that's fair, but if i'm pissing you off that badly it must be for a reason.

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i was joking about the EMTs. just trying to lighten the mood after talking about the real likelihood of killing myself with a gun, at various times in the past

but what the fuck do i know about guns

it's not like i grew up SURROUNDED BY GUNS

dick

I'm not the one who needs to dial it back here, asshole

You're the one who came parachuting in here belittling me (and the late great) for having the temerity to say "as minorities, the developments in this country are making us nervous enough to think owning a gun would be a possibility". I never said you needed to have a gun, I never said you needed to be around guns, and I never said you need to be comfortable around guns. You, on the other hand, spouted a bunch of bullshit and are now hiding behind past trauma because I said it felt like I was being summarily dismissed for being scared. The only reason I'm bothering to respond to you and not One Eye Open is that most of the time, you aren't acting like an irredeemable jackass.

well, i'm sorry for belittling you. that wasn't my intent but i can see that's how it came across all the same.

i did not spout a bunch of bullshit, though - except the part about DARPA EMTs.

and the reason i mention suicide is not to hide behind it (didn't appreciate that, btw), but to remind you that just like you have a special reason to want a gun, there are people who special reasons to not want guns.

losing your cool on the gun thread c/d

The reason I still don't own a gun is because of the fifteen minutes I spent as a teen holding one to my own head. Don't fucking presume what I do or don't know.

I bet this conversation would be going better if we all had guns

but just for self defense!

You guys are the purest form of asshole

karl and dip to have an old west style quick draw duel but with those guns that the little flag comes out of