Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

cool. what would be a fair process for replacing him that would not leave biden voters feeling run over or abandoned?

― A is for (Aimless), Monday, April 27, 2020 11:32 PM (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hold on my irony meter just overheated

Hurry! Post ironic things while hadrian is irony-blind!

Biden's hubris was so overwhelming that it led him to enter the race to begin with that I think the only thing that would cause him to step down would be every endorsement being rescinded, especially Obama's.

the frustration with inching forward is that it's not happening and hasn't for the time most of us have been alive

Life is harder and worse for more people today than in 1980. Black American home ownership has declined since the Carter Administration. Real wages have been stagnant for everyone. Even the uninsured rate is pretty much the same as the '70s.

my irony meter just overheated

so, then, I presume you are well aware how strong such feelings can be and therefore how detrimental to the chances people feeling like that would willingly vote for a candidate those feelings become attached to. notice, too, you feel strongly that way in spite of the clear fact that Biden won more votes and more delegates than any other candidate, including your favorite. think how voters who voted for the winner would feel when robbed of their votes.

Just realize this is a dangerous place to go. Even though I would be thrilled to have Sanders be president, giving him the nomination that way would anger and alienate a lot of Biden voters, just as much as you seem to feel angered and alienated.

This sucks and it is not simple. But I'm willing to adjust to wherever it goes and continue to resist the retrograde direction the nation has been going.

whoa be unto him who dampens the passions of the wild Joe Biden base!

http://www.theamericanmirror.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/Joe-Biden-small-crowd.jpg

dude nobody's "feelings are attached" to Joe Biden, anymore than they are to like, a bowl of cereal

lol WOE

Lots of Joe Biden primary voters would probably be upset!

That's why you have to hector them night and day to do the right thing, vote blue no matter who (even if they're not credibly accused of sexual assault and have a multi-decade history of openly groping women)

I don’t think anyone thinks Biden would be replaced by Sanders in the event he exited the race

damn, you must know a hell of a lot of people who voted for biden. can you put me in touch with a few so I can verify this wonderful news?

I’d take any non-rapist

oh, i just realized no one liked my vote by mail ballot national do-over proposal because everyone else was thinking "it should just be bernie"

i could understand that, since he did have the second-most delegates before stepping out of the race. but in this kind of unprecedented weird situation (especially with covid19) i think a big ol' do-over would be fine with most people

Only Aimless was thinking that we were thinking that

It would just be the convention deciding tho, that’s what it’s for

thread is a long fake etymology meme for the word 'conventional'

I've kind of stopped following the Biden stuff since Bernard dropped out....does the BidenDropOut stuff have any substance behind it or just wishful thinking? Klobuchar seeming more likely than Kamala now?

Never gonna happen, the party leadership has to dance with the senile sex criminal who brung 'em.

i don't think there's a plausible scenario where biden steps down

Depends on how many of his victims have NDAs I think

David Boies is definitely a more competent fixer than Michael Cohen

i don't think there's a plausible scenario where biden steps down

i don't think he will, either. but any scenario that does involve him stepping down also involves a lot of public pressure to make him step down

I was all in for Bernie but I have no illusions that he’d even be considered if Biden dropped out. Just give the nomination to Inslee, I don’t give a shit, he’d be fine.

Realistically, it would have to be Sanders - dropping Biden before the election and going with anyone else would destroy turnout with Sanders voters - which is why they'd stick with Biden if he sexually assaulted someone on camera. It's Trump's 'shoot someone on 5th Avenue' but the hooting masses would be consultants, tech CEOs and Politico writers.

i don't think there's a plausible scenario where biden steps down

I don't realistically see it either unless he gets coronavirus or some kind of cognitive decline were to set in. But I've got 50 on both Klobuchar and Kamala at 250-1 so if he's looking like he's heading into the long grass I need to have a second look!

or some kind of cognitive decline were to set in

imagine

Madame Prosecutor, tough as hell on truant high schoolers, a pushover for rapists.... https://t.co/x2AXp5pWOE

— Jeffrey St. Clair (@JSCCounterPunch) April 27, 2020

I worried St. Clair wouldn't find another reason to attack Biden after Sanders lost the race!

If only it were still April and there were still dozens of primaries left on the calendar, and Democrats had multiple broadly popular candidates who could unsuspend their suspended campaigns. Would help us all avoid a lot of hypocrisy and cognitive dissonance.

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) April 28, 2020

if all that were true, it would probably be wise to encourage the still-popular former vice president to withdraw (on his own terms, with some face-saving excuse), with plenty of time for voters to select among numerous credibly electable alternatives. alas we're locked in baby

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) April 28, 2020

"multiple broadly popular candidates"

Therefore, if Biden survives through the convention and is elected, he has an even more progressive flank pushing him. Assuming the Senate flips (and I assume it will if the Dems win the exec branch), I don't see results much different than 2009 except we move inches forward with progressive legislation. The difference is, I see "inches forward" as progress, asynchronous with the crisis, especially in my state (with the prettiest name!) where sea level rise is a calamity that COVID-19 will sidetrack for a loonng time. I see this as an inevitability, and I don't understand how Sanders or anyone Not Biden would've stopped this sordid state of affairs.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

like, I get you don't care about "inches forward" but that's what brown people like me have to rely on

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 28 April 2020 bookmarkflaglink

I thought it was only the left who had illusions.

"multiple broadly popular candidates"

that means winning a Bidenless race, fuckface

Nah we have to think about it, but we don't need to shit ourselves with fear, reverse the democratic results of a primary, and defenestrate a beloved elder statesman of our party in a fit of panic because of an obvious hatchet attempt comically lacking in credibility.

— CloudFactory (@Row_Boat_Cop) April 28, 2020

this you unperson?

lol trying to imagine unperson using "beloved elder statesman" even ironically

1) I didn't want Biden to be the nominee. I wanted Warren to be the nominee. Biden is the nominee, though. So I will vote for him, if and when the time comes.
2) I am not alone in thinking Reade is less credible than people radically opposed to Biden's candidacy (some who work for the Republicans, and others who think this will somehow rebound to Saint Bernie's benefit) wish to portray her as being. Is Biden a guy who touches people - men and women - more than they would like? Absolutely. Has there ever been a story of him cheating on his wife, though? Has there ever been any allegation as serious as this, in his roughly half century in public life? As far as I know, this is the first. Couple that with all of Reade's now-disappeared writings on *cough* other subjects, and...nope, Ol' Joe's definitely a rapist, and should absolutely withdraw from contention for the presidency, because that will 100% help Saint Bernie to accomplish many, many progressive goals during Trump's second term.

Only the second rape is bad, you get a freebie

So why did Fred get permabanned again?

curious how quickly the people who claim to be taking these allegations seriously shift the subject into 'and that's how bernie can become the nominee'

no rational person thinks the Democrats would nominate Sanders, so shove the strawmen

if I lived in a swing state I’d still vote for biden. none of this changes my view of him as a compromised ghoul. still better than trump. he should step down though of course while there’s still time to rally around someone else

Wait, where did this idea Bernie is somehow going to be nominee come from? The threads move fast I know so I could have missed it, but I've definitely not seen that suggeested here!

I do think the difference here b/w Trump and Biden is that 1) I don't think Biden is a serial abuser. This situation may well have happened, but he's been in the public eye long enough that if there were other allegations they'd be coming up by now and 2) I don't think anyone is passionate about Biden the way Trump supporters are about him. This is a real hold your nose and vote election; if Biden kicks the fucking bucket before inauguration, or drops out after getting the nomination and Abrahms or Harris or Klobuchar or whoever is then moved up to be the nominee, everyone is going to be fucking fine with it.

to put it another way: Trump has people who vote for Trump. Biden's base is probably 80% just voting against Trump

no rational person thinks the Democrats would nominate Sanders, so shove the strawmen

2) I am not alone in thinking Reade is less credible

― but also fuck you (unperson)

i am not alone in not wanting to talk to you or listen to you, thanks

obviously that was a rash response, and i try not to make rash responses. i'm not a saint i guess?

w/out Biden no one will reach the majority + 1 of delegates

enjoy your open convention

(and obv do I hafta say it, rules wd be invented to stop Sanders and that was always the case)

Unperson's attitude -- as disgusting as it might be -- points to the way the democratic party leadership would think around this. They absolutely don't give a shit.