love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

Has anyone posted this thread (not on the last 50 posts) on outcomes between UK and Ireland?

As of Saturday 11 April, there have been 6.5 deaths per 100,000 people in Ireland.

There have been 14.81 deaths per 100,000 people in the UK.

Guys, people have been dying at more than *twice the rate* in the UK.

— Elaine Doyle (@laineydoyle) April 12, 2020

It was posted yeah - it’s a good thread (except when she says the stereophonics are a great band and shouldn’t be singled out for blame - they aren’t and they should). It’s all stuff that the media here must be making a conscious choice to ignore, which is outrageous

The Sterophonics have done more towards the cause of breaking up the UK than any other Welsh bands tbf on them!

UK media to a pic of The Stereophonics - "Enemies of the People"

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zSUAAOSwehZaKtLk/s-l640.jpg

I thought this was a photoshop when I saw it the other day, they actually did this!

bunch of canutes

Elaine Doyle thread is of course full of Actually guys coming up with (inaccurate) reasons why you can’t compare uk with Ireland

misleading to compare us with countries that aren't crap

xxp I haven't heard anything about contagiousness of corpse after death though it did coccur to me when I was hearing my dad's body was being transported across the country. He didn't have the virus, just died at a time when I thought doing things like transporting bodies might be problematic.
May be truer at the time of cholera or typhoid or something when the corpse does remain contagious.
Assume taht a dead body is neither coughing nor sneezing so unable to transfer virus taht way but not sure if there are any elements of transfer I wouldn't be thinking of. Just no that just because a body is dead doesn't mean it's in a vacuum so may be able to spread some stuff.
& if you're having to do up a dead body so that it can have an open casket viewing not sure what you would be coming i contact with through that process.

But opf course it wouldn't necessarily be the body itself that had the virus or at least not the only thing taht had. If it died of it it must have had a point of contact that it caught from and that might well be shared with others who would be involved in teh funerary process.
& it's a trying job anyway.

Also as we move into hotter weather , has anything been said about mosquitoes or anything as a possible vector. Hate to find being bitten by something that had recently bit a carrier might lead to some complications.

dear god the stphn bsh article on the leaks is some next level dishonest sly shithousery, always cheering to be reminded how totally bankrupt the journalistic class is

Not sure Scotland's figures are great but they're much better than England and Wales, I think - but then the Stereophonics haven't played there in a while.

WHO says there's no evidence to date that mosquitos can spread it

(i imagine they're not being complacent abt this as they do spread many other viruses)

More evidence for crapness of country:

imagine living in a country where this man was able to rise to a position of any prominence pic.twitter.com/Lo03oGd3F9

— stefan mohamed's official business tweets account (@stefmowords) April 14, 2020

Toby fuckin Young moving the debate forward one agreeable comment at a time

xp!

Toby never lets you down does he pic.twitter.com/nz6mz5c89d

— James Doleman (@jamesdoleman) April 14, 2020

xps I <3 stphn bsh but that article was a bit much, it's true. it's nice to remember even the ones you like are not on your side

(I'm not even a Labour member and this whole thing has been thoroughly depressing, at an already thoroughly depressing time, sigh)

Bush also worships Cameron and considers him a proper impressive big beast or at least that is the impression I got when he was reading his biography.

pretty sure Toby Young gets off on being abused

Not sure Scotland's figures are great but they're much better than England and Wales, I think - but then the Stereophonics haven't played there in a while.

yes bush is always worth reading but when it gets too close to the battles he's invested in the analysis suddenly becomes a lot less dispassionate and reliable. in a way this failure to maintain objectivity is heartening, gives lie to the myth of the impartial commentator

pretty sure Toby Young gets off on being abused

sorry for his loss :(

the interest in what these craaazy toxic RW know-nothing columnists are going on about by ppl who should know better reminds me of that time it transpired the top two referers to the [streamfrot] site were the BBC and guardian

We have some friends who work in at-home care, and one who works in a care home. The former have been given PPE, apparently from the government somehow. The latter have received absolutely nothing, this article sums up their experience, except it hasn't yet broken out at their workplace.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/are-people-dispensable-care-home-manager-tells-how-third-of-residents-have-died-from-covid-19

This person is 50 years old and a cancer survivor, she would almost certainly be considered at risk.

reading a lot of comments like this from young BAME activists

The thought that keeps going around my head is “if this is how they talk about the first black female MP, how do they talk about your friends, you and community?”

Broken for Diane, Dawn and every MP subjected to vile anti-blackness from the Party they were fighting for

— 🌹 (@maliharez) April 13, 2020

I wonder if they’ll try to lift the restrictions on St George’s Day...

Rabbi Avraham Pinter, an influential Orthodox Jewish leader from Stamford Hill, London, with close ties to the British Labour Party, passed away from coronavirus. He was the first rabbi to become a local councillor (in Hackney borough council) in 1982. pic.twitter.com/ZvSk11nOCj

— Jacob Kornbluh (@jacobkornbluh) April 13, 2020

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/apr/14/coronavirus-uk-ireland-delay

That's a write up of that Ireland-UK thread that has been posted here

Ffs another bloody milquetoast who won't shame The Stereophonics for being cack as well as being evil coordinators of superspreading!

finally got round to reading that 'the hammer and the dance' piece that everyone was talking about wrt covid management (mainly because i was wondering what post-lockdown wd look like), and boy did the UK mess up. I guess it must have already been linked a few times around ilx, but it's damning of the mitigation strategy just on the principle that when you lack knowledge you want to buy yourself as much time to buy ventilators, create icu beds etc. it does make you wonder how well the UK will be able to conduct the 'dance' of tracing, localised lockdowns and periodic escalation and relaxation of measures, via the app, which I assume is going to be released fairly soon.

it is of course almost inescapable not to feel that the main reason the US and the UK have been slower is a fear of state intervention into supporting the economy greater than the fear of a lot of people dying. the mute and kittenish media are a fucking disgrace for not slamming the government daily on this.

1000s of people dying because of this lot being complacent and dumb during a crucial stage of the virus becoming widespread and some of our media classes are talking about how good Rishi's performance was and how trust is being restored in the UK govt because of C- 19. Failed country.

Pesto has been the worst i've ever seen him on this from the start. And today he's outdone himself + wrote a piece in The Spectator where he is very concerned that furloughing workers might create widespread govt welfare dependency!

This is why he was so concerned about hiding who is donors were, I expected a load of arseholes but this really is a who's who of utter arseholes https://t.co/gGfYXxNbyS

— Loki (@Lokinash06) April 14, 2020

this should been disclosed months ago, lame membership feebs would have probably still voted for him but at least we could have shamed them some more!

Why do they all have hard ons for this jug-eared jackanapes Rishi Sunak?

Keir Starmer received £25,000 in donations to his leadership bid from the publisher of Mail Online (Daily Mail), Martin Clarke as well as a major banker, and a litany of people with connections to Tony Blair.

the deleted tweet

xp white centrists with shit taste imo, I mean he might be a lot further right, but Ranil Jayawardena exists!

Ahem.

Pueyo is an utter tool, and that piece is not quite riddled but is certainly pretty heavily laden with egregious holes, especially around mutation and magical thinking about how much you can “prepare” during suppression.

It doesn’t mean he’s wrong about the UK situation being alarmingly bad but Christ I’d prefer to hear from epidemiologists and doctors rather than tech bros and historians.

There is no way we are “back to normal in a couple of weeks”, he’s either lying or panicking. The Chinese hammer he adores lasted months. And unless they close their borders, they’ll reimport it as signs show they are. Either way, a couple of weeks aren’t enough to do any of the magic prep he talks about.

I’m pretty sure it’s bullshit, utterly made-up graphs included. There’s no quick end to this.

(That Ireland piece is another case in point: people here are dying of this at twice the rate of people in Ireland? Among the reply guys were some (overworked) medical types pointing out that the UK also has twice the number of people over 65 (~20% UK pop vs 11% Ireland). Which unlike population density does have a cast-iron correlation with mortality.)

Thanks stet - country by country comparisons are difficult and a twitter thread is clearly not the space for it. There are plenty of lines in which to attack the government's response.

It is really hard for me to understand in particular why ICU isn’t full. Are people dying too quickly? Are protocols keeping them out of it? Age profile? The guy from the P&J tried to ask today but his Zoom mysteriously failed.

Could be the threshold for admittance to ICU, could also be simple staffing shortage. The more patients in ICU that a nurse has to look after, the worse outcomes could be. Especially with a condition that deteriorates as fast as this one, and with a procedure as delicate as ventilation.

It is really hard for me to understand in particular why ICU isn’t full. Are people dying too quickly?

My guess is yes. Many are. Lots of them in care homes.
I also think we haven't peaked, that we have slightly slowed new cases with distancing, and we probably won't be asking about all the spare beds and ventilators soon.
Italy filled a lot of hospitals with elderly people who were unlikely to be saved. We asked their families to agree Respect (DNR) forms in advance and left the care homes to it.

I also just remembered the letters certain people are getting from their local authorities, asking them to sign a DNR. Quite possible lots of people aren’t even being admitted?

Pueyo is an utter tool, and that piece is not quite riddled but is certainly pretty heavily laden with egregious holes, especially around mutation and magical thinking about how much you can “prepare” during suppression.

It doesn’t mean he’s wrong about the UK situation being alarmingly bad but Christ I’d prefer to hear from epidemiologists and doctors rather than tech bros and historians.

There is no way we are “back to normal in a couple of weeks”, he’s either lying or panicking. The Chinese hammer he adores lasted months. And unless they close their borders, they’ll reimport it as signs show they are. Either way, a couple of weeks aren’t enough to do any of the magic prep he talks about.

I’m pretty sure it’s bullshit, utterly made-up graphs included. There’s no quick end to this.

I’m sorry, lads. I know there is a pandemic going on, but I think we all deserve a laugh at these cunts.

In one case a senior Labour staffer had sent themselves their entire WhatsApp conversation history by email - so the researchers were able to access group chats of colleagues at Labour HQ discussing their opinions about Corbyn and Labour’s performance at the 2017 general election

— Shehab Khan (@ShehabKhan) April 14, 2020

senior labour staffer, thank u for yr service

Tommy Corbyn for next leader imo.

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— Tommy Corbyn (@TommyCorbyn) April 14, 2020

I’m sorry, lads. I know there is a pandemic going on, but I think we all deserve a laugh at these cunts.

Beyond everything else the cast-iron reason why Starmer shouldn't even consider rehiring any of them is that they are self-evidently idiots.

rather than pressing the govt on the disastrous PPE/testing failure or that currently 1.5 million people are in serious food poverty Kier wants to know how they are going forward post lockdown. They must love having such forensic opposition in a quivering comedy muppet voice.

The independent investigation will be “professionally, independently and quickly done”, he says. “We absolutely have to turn our back on factionalism. That was the whole purpose of my leadership campaign.”

— Sienna Rodgers (@siennamarla) April 15, 2020

he needs to resign immediately!