love* in the time of plague (and by love* i mean brexit* and other dreary matters of uk politics)

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we'll probably officially reach one death per minute with the Tuesday bump (though Easter holiday might delay reporting) but from the ONS numbers + RoUK we probably passed that over a week ago

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 09:46 (four years ago) link

I think media 'covering up' deaths in care homes will be next to impossible when surely many will know of someone (if not directly affected) in a care home who dies from covid.

Whether that leads to anything is another matter. The issue of how to care for the elderly and vulnerable in society as it currently stands has many layers and looking at it is not going to be the priority when it's all driven up by re-opening economies for business.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 09:55 (four years ago) link

Social care is a major economic issue as well as health/moral issue and will become increasingly so over the next decade. Agree it's not going to be the priority and one major reason is that almost all the proposed solutions are likely to be unpopular. Look at what happened to May and Nick Timothy when they tried to tackle it (and to be fair bungled it completely).

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:02 (four years ago) link

Herd immunity, which isn't the strategy, honest, should knock a chunk off the pension pot, free up loads of care spaces, and wipe out the really expensive oldies.

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:07 (four years ago) link

i kind of wish i could stop thinking "i'm glad my mum and dad are dead" bcz in a larger sense i am *not* and i miss them and feel bad every time i think this

but dear god its good they did not live to see this and be affected by it :(:( :( :(

mark s, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:08 (four years ago) link

OTM, I feel the same about my mum, who was already getting pretty doddery and confused before she died. The auld fella died years ago tho... and wasn't that, er, auld.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:12 (four years ago) link

gyac, there's no way that modelling plays out for Ireland

we're at 365 deaths now, and a massive proportion of the cases/deaths seem to be in care homes

Number None, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:16 (four years ago) link

They’re not lifting restrictions any time soon for Ireland. The spread has reduced drastically and deaths will come down too. But probably overly optimistic.

gyac, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:23 (four years ago) link

i kind of wish i could stop thinking "i'm glad my mum and dad are dead" bcz in a larger sense i am *not* and i miss them and feel bad every time i think this

but dear god its good they did not live to see this and be affected by it :(:( :( :(


I think this about my nana tbf, who had dementia when she went and didn’t recognise any of her children, but at least she was spared this. Never had any of my other grandparents around.

gyac, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:24 (four years ago) link

I think that's an entirely common line of thought right now. The number of people who will lose parents or partners and not be able to grieve or mourn properly, attend funerals, see, comfort or be comforted by loved ones, is the most desperately sad aspect of the crisis. There's no good way to lose a loved one but any way that allows access to vital emotional support has to be better than this.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:31 (four years ago) link

There was an interview quite recently with an undertaker who was saying, quite rightly, that they are an essential frontline service right now and they are not being treated as such and the govt has given very little thought has been given to how they should be working or what should be done to protect them.

Matt DC, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 10:33 (four years ago) link

My new favourite thinktank, what a board pic.twitter.com/mhpiba8LzC

— ɹoʇɐɓıʇsǝʌuı uoıʇɐɓıʇsǝʌuı (@TypingOfTheRed) April 14, 2020

😬😬😬😬

gyac, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:24 (four years ago) link

Feels a bit unfair to give someone who stopped ageing several hundred years ago a voice on such matters

crisp, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:32 (four years ago) link

That's like the Manson Family of think tanks

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:35 (four years ago) link

that list of board members definitely needs passing on to the Cheka!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:36 (four years ago) link

Or, failing that, the Chuka.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:44 (four years ago) link

heh!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:47 (four years ago) link

always good to see creepy sex pest and Erdogan apologist John Woodcock still involved in the game!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 11:51 (four years ago) link

Has anyone posted this thread (not on the last 50 posts) on outcomes between UK and Ireland?

As of Saturday 11 April, there have been 6.5 deaths per 100,000 people in Ireland.

There have been 14.81 deaths per 100,000 people in the UK.

Guys, people have been dying at more than *twice the rate* in the UK.

— Elaine Doyle (@laineydoyle) April 12, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 12:40 (four years ago) link

It was posted yeah - it’s a good thread (except when she says the stereophonics are a great band and shouldn’t be singled out for blame - they aren’t and they should). It’s all stuff that the media here must be making a conscious choice to ignore, which is outrageous

Microbes oft teem (wins), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 12:49 (four years ago) link

The Sterophonics have done more towards the cause of breaking up the UK than any other Welsh bands tbf on them!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 12:52 (four years ago) link

UK media to a pic of The Stereophonics - "Enemies of the People"

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 12:57 (four years ago) link

https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/zSUAAOSwehZaKtLk/s-l640.jpg

I thought this was a photoshop when I saw it the other day, they actually did this!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:00 (four years ago) link

bunch of canutes

nashwan, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:01 (four years ago) link

Elaine Doyle thread is of course full of Actually guys coming up with (inaccurate) reasons why you can’t compare uk with Ireland

Microbes oft teem (wins), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:08 (four years ago) link

misleading to compare us with countries that aren't crap

mark s, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:14 (four years ago) link

xxp I haven't heard anything about contagiousness of corpse after death though it did coccur to me when I was hearing my dad's body was being transported across the country. He didn't have the virus, just died at a time when I thought doing things like transporting bodies might be problematic.
May be truer at the time of cholera or typhoid or something when the corpse does remain contagious.
Assume taht a dead body is neither coughing nor sneezing so unable to transfer virus taht way but not sure if there are any elements of transfer I wouldn't be thinking of. Just no that just because a body is dead doesn't mean it's in a vacuum so may be able to spread some stuff.
& if you're having to do up a dead body so that it can have an open casket viewing not sure what you would be coming i contact with through that process.

But opf course it wouldn't necessarily be the body itself that had the virus or at least not the only thing taht had. If it died of it it must have had a point of contact that it caught from and that might well be shared with others who would be involved in teh funerary process.
& it's a trying job anyway.

Also as we move into hotter weather , has anything been said about mosquitoes or anything as a possible vector. Hate to find being bitten by something that had recently bit a carrier might lead to some complications.

Stevolende, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:20 (four years ago) link

dear god the stphn bsh article on the leaks is some next level dishonest sly shithousery, always cheering to be reminded how totally bankrupt the journalistic class is

ogmor, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:21 (four years ago) link

Not sure Scotland's figures are great but they're much better than England and Wales, I think - but then the Stereophonics haven't played there in a while.

The Corbynite Maneuver (Tom D.), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:24 (four years ago) link

WHO says there's no evidence to date that mosquitos can spread it

(i imagine they're not being complacent abt this as they do spread many other viruses)

mark s, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:29 (four years ago) link

More evidence for crapness of country:

imagine living in a country where this man was able to rise to a position of any prominence pic.twitter.com/Lo03oGd3F9

— stefan mohamed's official business tweets account (@stefmowords) April 14, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:45 (four years ago) link

Toby fuckin Young moving the debate forward one agreeable comment at a time

xp!

Toby never lets you down does he pic.twitter.com/nz6mz5c89d

— James Doleman (@jamesdoleman) April 14, 2020

Non, je ned raggette rien (onimo), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:45 (four years ago) link

xps I <3 stphn bsh but that article was a bit much, it's true. it's nice to remember even the ones you like are not on your side

(I'm not even a Labour member and this whole thing has been thoroughly depressing, at an already thoroughly depressing time, sigh)

a passing spacecadet, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:48 (four years ago) link

Bush also worships Cameron and considers him a proper impressive big beast or at least that is the impression I got when he was reading his biography.

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:52 (four years ago) link

pretty sure Toby Young gets off on being abused

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:53 (four years ago) link

Not sure Scotland's figures are great but they're much better than England and Wales, I think - but then the Stereophonics haven't played there in a while.


i’ve been impressed by nicola sturgeon’s emphasis at every daily briefing that the infection figures are likely much higher than the stats show - being more impressive than the uk briefings isn’t a tremendous achievement right enough tho

He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:54 (four years ago) link

yes bush is always worth reading but when it gets too close to the battles he's invested in the analysis suddenly becomes a lot less dispassionate and reliable. in a way this failure to maintain objectivity is heartening, gives lie to the myth of the impartial commentator

ogmor, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:54 (four years ago) link

pretty sure Toby Young gets off on being abused


the thought that i may have, in some small way, contributed to toby young going off like a fire extinguisher has ruined my week, cheers

He is married to Brogmus, Linda. (bizarro gazzara), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:56 (four years ago) link

sorry for his loss :(

où sont les threads d'antan? (Noodle Vague), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 13:59 (four years ago) link

the interest in what these craaazy toxic RW know-nothing columnists are going on about by ppl who should know better reminds me of that time it transpired the top two referers to the [streamfrot] site were the BBC and guardian

ogmor, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 14:00 (four years ago) link

We have some friends who work in at-home care, and one who works in a care home. The former have been given PPE, apparently from the government somehow. The latter have received absolutely nothing, this article sums up their experience, except it hasn't yet broken out at their workplace.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/apr/14/are-people-dispensable-care-home-manager-tells-how-third-of-residents-have-died-from-covid-19

This person is 50 years old and a cancer survivor, she would almost certainly be considered at risk.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 14:06 (four years ago) link

reading a lot of comments like this from young BAME activists

The thought that keeps going around my head is “if this is how they talk about the first black female MP, how do they talk about your friends, you and community?”

Broken for Diane, Dawn and every MP subjected to vile anti-blackness from the Party they were fighting for

— 🌹 (@maliharez) April 13, 2020

gyac, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 14:07 (four years ago) link

I wonder if they’ll try to lift the restrictions on St George’s Day...

Bidh boladh a' mhairbh de 'n láimh fhalaimh (dowd), Tuesday, 14 April 2020 16:23 (four years ago) link

Rabbi Avraham Pinter, an influential Orthodox Jewish leader from Stamford Hill, London, with close ties to the British Labour Party, passed away from coronavirus. He was the first rabbi to become a local councillor (in Hackney borough council) in 1982. pic.twitter.com/ZvSk11nOCj

— Jacob Kornbluh (@jacobkornbluh) April 13, 2020

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 16:36 (four years ago) link

That's a write up of that Ireland-UK thread that has been posted here

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 17:37 (four years ago) link

Ffs another bloody milquetoast who won't shame The Stereophonics for being cack as well as being evil coordinators of superspreading!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 17:59 (four years ago) link

finally got round to reading that 'the hammer and the dance' piece that everyone was talking about wrt covid management (mainly because i was wondering what post-lockdown wd look like), and boy did the UK mess up. I guess it must have already been linked a few times around ilx, but it's damning of the mitigation strategy just on the principle that when you lack knowledge you want to buy yourself as much time to buy ventilators, create icu beds etc. it does make you wonder how well the UK will be able to conduct the 'dance' of tracing, localised lockdowns and periodic escalation and relaxation of measures, via the app, which I assume is going to be released fairly soon.

it is of course almost inescapable not to feel that the main reason the US and the UK have been slower is a fear of state intervention into supporting the economy greater than the fear of a lot of people dying. the mute and kittenish media are a fucking disgrace for not slamming the government daily on this.

Fizzles, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 19:40 (four years ago) link

1000s of people dying because of this lot being complacent and dumb during a crucial stage of the virus becoming widespread and some of our media classes are talking about how good Rishi's performance was and how trust is being restored in the UK govt because of C- 19. Failed country.

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 20:19 (four years ago) link

Pesto has been the worst i've ever seen him on this from the start. And today he's outdone himself + wrote a piece in The Spectator where he is very concerned that furloughing workers might create widespread govt welfare dependency!

calzino, Tuesday, 14 April 2020 20:27 (four years ago) link


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