I was gonna mock it earlier, it's worse than saying nothing. I hear very little of the daily press briefs, but I caught a bit last night and it seems clear to me the gov are trying to avoid the question of when lockdown might end, partly I think because to answer honestly is likely to freak a lot of people out.
― a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:33 (four years ago) link
He needs to be much more robust on a lot of the details, including key workers.
Asking what the government to set out what they actually want to achieve is important though. Are they banking on antibody tests? When the cases get to a managable level, are they going to start aggressively contact tracing? There is no clear public strategy - which leads to speculation that there's no strategy to begin with or that they've effectively settled on the herd immunity policy and are just soft-pedaling it so it doesn't all hit at once.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:34 (four years ago) link
clear to me the gov are trying to avoid the question of when lockdown might end, partly I think because to answer honestly is likely to freak a lot of people out.
From the leaks, it sounds like there is likely a split between people who want to end it more or less immediately and those who are prepared to wait.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:36 (four years ago) link
xp Sure, but that isn't what Kiermit asked them
― a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:37 (four years ago) link
I feel almost certain Corbyn would have been asking the pertinent questions that needed asking in a more timely manner. This fucker is a waste of skin. I honestly feel if you just replaced him with a sandbag with Twat printed on it there would be a more effective LOTO.
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:44 (four years ago) link
I agree he's basically rambling.
It's the right question asked fairly incompetently.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:45 (four years ago) link
"Asking what the government to set out what they actually want to achieve is important though. Are they banking on antibody tests? When the cases get to a managable level, are they going to start aggressively contact tracing?"
I get that but I feel like they should step back from 'strategy' type language to actually hammer at the lack of testing on any level and PPE. They should keep calling it the disaster that it is.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:46 (four years ago) link
My optimistic take is that it's a long 5 years til the next election, and perhaps a placeholder avatar is what's needed while the proper movement is built up slightly out of the spotlight. Not that he is even very good at being that. The fear of course is that he's another fucking kinnock, not quite shit enough to be jettisoned, but shit enough to make everyone give up hope of real change.
― Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:48 (four years ago) link
we got corbyn a couple of years too early is basically how i break it down to an extent
― force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:49 (four years ago) link
Not sure Corbyn would've asked about strategy but he would've at least got to people's safety on the job.
Starmer is doing neither.
― xyzzzz__, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:50 (four years ago) link
that's what by timely fashion, now isn't the time to be even asking about exit strategies imo
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:53 (four years ago) link
Ashworth and Thomas-Symonds have been reasonably good on the PPE / testing stuff.
I'd prefer a much stronger response but i can understand why, in the current national climate, they'd all be wary of going in two-footed.
― ShariVari, Thursday, 9 April 2020 15:59 (four years ago) link
as i say, a kind of feeb mithering is actually worse than saying nothing/supporting the gov during the crisis. agree that there'll be a better time later to put the boot in.
― a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link
Corbyn was pretty ropey at asking the right questions for quite a long time and tended to ask them in a way that was easily batted away. It tended to be explained away as 'he's still learning'.
I'm not really sure what the point of the Starmer line of questioning even is except to get him on camera and remind people he exists.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:25 (four years ago) link
‘hey, remember this guy? he sucks!’
― force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
I disagree with you there, Matt. I've run out of times when I was thanking god Corbz was the LOTO and not some cunt like Starmer. And here we are!
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:28 (four years ago) link
I haven't seen his actual questions, but asking about exit strategy seems valid – not least because they'll have to start doing prep for whatever they come up with, which they manifestly are not
― stet, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:29 (four years ago) link
"I haven't seen his actual questions"
it's straight from the fucking Keirmit the melt twitter account. So don't give me that crap!
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:37 (four years ago) link
oops sorry i thought you meant you his blatherings were taken out of context!
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:39 (four years ago) link
if they want to go back to Herd Immunity then the main prep they'll need is allocating extra morgue space and more crematoria staff.
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:43 (four years ago) link
or some reduced lock down "to protect the economy"
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:45 (four years ago) link
If you keep asking them what the plan is it might pressure them into coming up with one
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:58 (four years ago) link
GUESS WHO'S BACK GUESS WHO'S BACK GUESS WHO'S BACK
https://labourlist.org/2020/04/shadow-ministers-appointed-as-starmer-completes-frontbench/
― a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 16:59 (four years ago) link
Wes Streeting (Exchequer Secretary)Stephen Kinnock (Asia and Pacific)Jess Phillips (Domestic Violence and Safeguarding)
Stephen Kinnock (Asia and Pacific)
Jess Phillips (Domestic Violence and Safeguarding)
― a slobbering sombrero moment (Noodle Vague), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:00 (four years ago) link
I admit I’m slightly blindsided
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
OMG! big wes streeting!
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
what a power trio
― force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:01 (four years ago) link
lol fuck labour
― aaaaeeeeeeoooooooowwww (Left), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:02 (four years ago) link
― roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
Or people who KS doesn’t want running to media and now can’t because: collective responsibility.
― santa clause four (suzy), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:05 (four years ago) link
wtf
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:06 (four years ago) link
tbf those are all basically made-up joke positions right? right??
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
oh_no_cartoon_punchline.jpg
― a passing spacecadet, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:07 (four years ago) link
not to demean the need to combat domestic violence. oh god
Chi Onwurah (Science, Research & Digital – joint with DCMS)
― roxymuzak otm (gyac), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
I’m not at all blindsided I was just making fun of lj’s comments re initial shadcab picks Fully believe they waited to ruin my bday tho
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:08 (four years ago) link
hb wins!
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:09 (four years ago) link
Suzy is probably right about the need to keep the most vocally disloyal and troublesome MPs at least theoretically onside but in places where they can't do any real damage.
Unfortunately it also puts them in a position where they can also throw their toys out of the pram and prominently resign when they aren't being paid sufficient attention.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
🎣 finally
― Microbes oft teem (wins), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
my man Matthew Pennycook is gonna save the environment #proud
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:11 (four years ago) link
― force ghost bg (bizarro gazzara), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:14 (four years ago) link
obv those ne'erdowells are a scourge but the way it was put upthread it was like they were the only appointees. obviously not true. but where's Butler still?
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:14 (four years ago) link
sad lol that it's virtually a 50/50 split between frontbench and backbench
― ban laggy jazzer (imago), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:20 (four years ago) link
the mcshitter in the shadow cab. very good
― megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:23 (four years ago) link
whatever happened to that dan carden alex buzzfeed story
― megan thee macallan 18 year (||||||||), Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:24 (four years ago) link
At least I've got plenty of ammo if my local CLP sec phones me asking why the dd has stopped
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:26 (four years ago) link
Meme fans will be pleased to know that Bambos Charalambos is in there.
― Matt DC, Thursday, 9 April 2020 17:32 (four years ago) link
_Wes Streeting (Exchequer Secretary)Stephen Kinnock (Asia and Pacific)Jess Phillips (Domestic Violence and Safeguarding)_oh_no_cartoon_punchline.jpg
― Fizzles, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:02 (four years ago) link
"phillips has been doing good work on domestic violence"
credit where it is due it is the one subject she is quite authoritative sounding on in a non-bullshitty manner. i was listening to her on 5 live the other week and thinking this Jess Phillips soundalike is talking sense here.
― calzino, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:18 (four years ago) link
He’s out of intensive care
― stet, Thursday, 9 April 2020 18:22 (four years ago) link