2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

yep, going to be wild as hell watching Fox et al concern troll over safe social distancing in uh certain very specific states/ cities right around the time of the election

and they know there's no "taking to the streets"

"go ahead, comment away!"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2rxWPEdYCnI

in lieu of actual protest, 8pm open-window Doobies sing-along

"What a Fool Believes"

A decent post-mortem thread:

1: Bernie Sanders would’ve been a better nominee than Joe Biden.

2: Bernie Sanders is not going to be the nominee.

3: Given (2) people who believe (1) should try to understand what went wrong.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) April 5, 2020

Who you think most likely for Biden's running mate?

Someone not male and not white.

Klob, Kamala, some Governor nobody’s thinking about in that order

In normal times I still don't think Harris would want the job but it's hard to imagine a VP ever being more likely to get the promotion.

Klobuchar would try to infect herself and cough on Biden probably

No one who purposely reads Matty gets to make fun of Morbs/Perrin.

Someone not male and not white.

you may be onto something!

Harris (of realistic choices) could be ok. Abrams if she wants it.

Warren does more good staying where she is. Klobuchar, meh; Gillibrand?

#DoneWithWhiteDudes

the hill had an article about the possibility of Gretchen Whitmer

Klob, Kamala, some Governor nobody’s thinking about in that order

I got the first two covered, its that third one thats bugging me! This Whitmer suddenly seems to have popped up

Warren has no chance surely?

Yeah both because "more powerful staying in the Senate" and "can we plz not have two ancient white Northeasterners?"

I don't think either of those things have a bearing on probability?!

warren's replacement would be named by the republican governor of MA so there's no way it's ever gonna be her

All signs point to Whitmer

seems like a smart choice - helps in a critical swing state.

lol @ the folks losing their shit over Matt's #1

sorry but ppl who have some weird allegiance to the democratic party in 2020 like it's a hometown sports team are either just the biggest bunch of rubes alive, or their fortunes are tied directly to Business As Usual.

dont think that’s true at all

oooh maybe we'll make some progress this time

sorry but ppl who have some weird allegiance to the democratic party in 2020 like it's a hometown sports team are either just the biggest bunch of rubes alive, or their fortunes are tied directly to Business As Usual.

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will)

Cool! Tell it to the minorities who overwhelmingly rejected Sanders.

sorry but ppl who have some weird allegiance to the democratic party in 2020 like it's a hometown sports team are either just the biggest bunch of rubes alive, or their fortunes are tied directly to Business As Usual.

― A-B-C. A-Always, B-Be, C-Chooglin (will),

Are you black? A woman? Gay? The awful Democratic Party -- a coalition of grumbling, inchoate forces -- is the only thing mitigating Republican damage.

I keep waiting for someone on this thread to yield to a Trump-in-2016 moment and write, in so many words, "I don't give a shit about stupid minorities; they didn't validate the candidate whose campaign strategies failed to inspire them."

not really convinced the "campaign strategies" were the problem tbh

I am. I see no evidence that the campaign made a dent in the voters who delivered the states to Biden.

what was the problem?

in retrospect I just don't see a winning strategy for Sanders that doesn't involve being a different person

Ah! That's closer.

i'm not saying they shouldn't vote, or that the GOP isn't miles worse. but a party that slavers over Bloomberg money (and thus input)'s idea of "mitigation" for a single mother working full time at wal mart in 2020 is fucking abysmal. and i'm sorry, but just saying 'well the GOP's worse so quit whining' is fucking gross.

in so many respects his campaign was so much better than his last one and it just didn't matter

Can we blame antisemitism? If not, why?

'well the GOP's worse so quit whining'

and to be clear, im not attributing that to anyone here, but i'll abso-fucking-lutely attribute to the party leadership

Someone literally posted the equivalent of “stop whining about how Joe Biden sucks, you might make him lose!” in the Joe Biden thread.

It literally took the weight of the entire party machine at a crucial moment to derail the Bernie train, in favor of a senile sex pest that that machine actively didn’t want to run.

I’ll conveniently forget who for the sake of comity.

There is no “Bernie coulda” that counters that.

joe biden is perfectly capable of losing without our assistance, thank you very much!

It literally took the weight of the entire party machine at a crucial moment to derail the Bernie train, in favor of a senile sex pest that that machine actively didn’t want to run.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z)

You can turn this into a prayer, set to music.

you keep denying voters what we call agency, so bless you

Voters lost much of their agency when the machine forced multiple candidates out of the race for the sake of the machine’s post-traumatic definition of “electable”

literally posted the equivalent

Hmm

Literally shakes

Ah, the machine!

The DNC

Voters lost much of their agency when the machine forced multiple candidates out of the race for the sake of the machine’s post-traumatic definition of “electable”

Once Bernie is finally out they might have one more to push out when Biden gets covid!

Maybe there’s no machine but if there is it protects child rapists and their miserable handpicked successors, I have nothing conciliatory to say about the Democratic Party at this point.

Are you black? A woman? Gay? The awful Democratic Party

The lesson for the left of the party going forward here is "don't run as a factional candidate in a system where winning as a factional candidate is nearly impossible," not "our campaign was flawless but the voters are puppets on the string of The Establishment."

— Scott Lemieux (@LemieuxLGM) April 6, 2020