2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

Yes I’m White And I Vote!!

for tuna melts

ay, public option is better than current but clearly inferior as a matter of fairness and efficiency by all that i can suss. but if the political barrier is too fucking high, which maybe it is, i'd settle on public option reluctantly.

but the center needs to accept that the us system is soooo difficult to move at all that systemic progressive changes are almost impossible. you need either a depression or cold war style prosperity to make them real. with half a depression, you get...obamacare.

for that reason dems need to remember that what we're building, if we can build it-- we may be stuck with for a long time. the reality is all employer dependent care systems ultimately should (i say must) be shucked-the-fuck-out of healthcare. it hurts our people. it limits our freedom. it actually sucks the vitality out of our economy. it was a series of half-steps as implemented afaict and it must go eventually. we should be willing to fight for this even now imo. right now.

i mean, i'll vote for either candidate. as to m4a level healthcare payment, there may come a time to shut up and toe the line. after the nomination is official maybe? regardless, the ceasefire should be temporary at best because the cause is worthwhile.

If you can’t convince the majority of the electorate that switching to M4A is to their benefit, then all the “fighting” in the world isn’t going to do much.

Currently it’s not even possible to win the primary on this issue. Cue a post blaming it on big donors and the DNC.

just proves that not enough people have said "medicare for all" on television enough times yet

If we end up with Medicare For All, the most likely end scenario given where we are starting from is that baseline Medicare coverage will suck ass and people who can afford it will end up purchasing Medicare Advantage plans anyway.

Employer-based healthcare is a gigantic crock of shit so I'd see that as something of an improvement.

I make enough money where I shouldn't have any financial concerns but an acquisition caused a medical benefit change where the one monthly prescription I take went from $25/month to $1800/month. I now have a new job primarily so I can afford to stay on medication.

(On a related note, self-insuring is an even bigger crock of shit)

yowww that's awful, djp

god damn that is criminal

i always try to emphasize that employer based healthcare is a force that stifles our economy far more than it helps it, because i th-ink it's true and also even hyper-entrepreneurial douchebags get it. (just kidding, you douchebags).

xp truly sorry to hear that difficulty djp.

If you can’t convince the majority of the electorate that switching to M4A is to their benefit, then all the “fighting” in the world isn’t going to do much.

Currently it’s not even possible to win the primary on this issue. Cue a post blaming it on big donors and the DNC.

― El Tomboto, Friday, April 3, 2020 1:39 PM (twelve minutes ago)

given that this pandemic is a real issue affecting actual people and not some abstraction or political science experiment, I genuinely hope that your response to your interpretation of the polling has been to work to change this. I hope your posts on this board are not reflective of the conversations you have with everyday people or the letters you write to your representatives. "the electorate" includes you. you are not a pundit, you're a person with a voice. when I am on conference call discussing how we are going to ration ventilators after we run out, or how we'll take care of people who can't get one; or when I'm thinking about the millions of people like my patients who are going to be hospitalized and stuck with a bill they can't afford; or when I think about how my patients, a shocking percentage of whom were already homeless, and how they are going to afford rent or feed themselves, my response is not to tell other people to stay in line, or to pray that the democratic nominee ascends to the throne with his platform completely intact; my response is: what the fuck. what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck. how are we going to help these people. the time to try things we would not normally try is now. the time to push our representatives and presumptive nominee is now. the time -- the same time REPUBLICANS UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A 2 TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING BILL -- to take risks is now. the party is perfectly capable of putting forth half-measures without people like you and neera tanden caping for it. they don't need your help. the people who will be left behind do

I really wish everyone could see MN governor Tim Walz speaking right now, he's doing such an amazing job

I really wish everyone would recite the serenity prayer to themselves before posting in this stupid thread, myself included

naaah man the serenity prayer is for suckers when it comes to politics. that's the one lesson i learned from the conservative movement

Kevin otm

There are no moderate solutions to radical dysfunction.

"and the courage to always post about my opinions on the internet"

would be easier w/o the constant erring on the side of "cannot change"

i am in a 12-step program to help me stop reading these threads

my preferred mantra is Hillel's

https://www.sefaria.org/Pirkei_Avot.1.14?lang=bi

I'm not sure the mantra is "cannot change." For me it's: 1. Advocate better policies. 2. Get elected. 3. Attain power. 4. Use that power to improve lives.

Right now we are, all of us, stuck on step 1.

April 3:

What are we even doing here pic.twitter.com/PP5Izguefq

— j/o Biden (@lukeoneil47) April 3, 2020

xp not all of us^

the posts on this board where I clearly explain my personal political preferences are indicative of the conversations I have with actual people, including fellow voters. They are indicative of where I put my campaign donations. I’m sure I probably sound like a Republican to you but idgaf what you think because you don’t know me.

um I was referring to Joe Biden with my ^

anyway you don't sound like a Republican to me, you sound like a Democrat but so do most people in my real life and they're cool

I was responding to kevin’s rant

ah. that a quality post tho

picturing tombot in north face drip rn

Hillel's good.

altho my fave pirkei avot ref is "It is not your duty to finish the work, but neither are you at liberty to neglect it"

xps

I like to think Hillel was talking about posting

Hilxorlel

https://thefederalist.com/2020/04/03/we-cannot-destroy-the-country-for-the-sake-of-new-york-city/

How stupid and parochial can you get? Doesn't that asshole understand that all the governors who are issuing stay-at-home orders across most of the nation have given zero thought to how that affects NYC? They are trying to save their own populations from a rapidly spreading pandemic of a disease that's about 10x more deadly than the seasonal flu and nobody has immunity for. They've been actively competing with NYC for scarce resources.

I have news for the @FDRLST. Ignoring the moral depravity of your soulless argument- almost all of the country's economic might is generated by cities- esp large cities like NYC, so on behalf of the Big Apple- Fuck You https://t.co/g3wl7I3rJM pic.twitter.com/EyEu1BYNBD

— Rachel "The Doc" Bitecofer 📈🔭🍌 (@RachelBitecofer) April 3, 2020

https://images.app.goo.gl/mbFP8hx4MgGMqrcw7

someone pays this sweaty-palmed dork to manufacture idiotic narratives and I’d like to know who it is

that's early 00s Yglesias level war thirstposting

David Marcus is the New York Correspondent for the Federalist where he has written since 2013. His work has also appeared in the New York Times, the New York Post, the New York Daily News, National Review Online, The Weekly Standard, and City Journal. David is the former Artistic Director of Blue Box World, a Brooklyn based theater project, and also a former president of the Bat acting company at the Flea Theater.

When did the dem primary thread, where we fight with each other, become the general US politics thread? I blame Neanderthal.

I mean if we’re just going to carve out who we should and should not sacrifice on the altar of material security...

Xpost

Bat acting company

Bat acting... or bat eating?

When did the dem primary thread, where we fight with each other, become the general US politics thread? I blame Neanderthal.

― El Tomboto, Friday, April 3, 2020 8:04 PM bookmarkflaglink

I thought that was the thread I was in! ugh dammit

Morrissey’s Latest Is His Most
Morrissey knows what the notes mean now and he’s hitting them. This is no retro act; he is making some of his very best music.

Morrissey is deservedly canceled now and I am fine with that but... he "knows what the notes mean now"?

What was he doing before then? He sure participated in some decent records for someone who didn't know "what the notes mean."

What thread is this

The threads are all bleeding together maan, just like no one knows what time or day or month it is, maaaan