2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

It's true I am generally thankful for how California and its elected officials have handled this crisis so far, although there have been failings and missteps.

xps

I wish we could quarantine you guys in your own thread where you could shout your articles of faith at each other

― Οὖτις, 3. april 2020 18:45 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tbf I did post in the Berner thread at times, so they didn't have that for themselves. I'm very sorry, I had no idea the consequences would be so dire.

Fred you are the only thing keeping this messageboard in line with your good posts, please post more often in more threads, if you don't we all might have wrong opinions unchecked

no ma'am, that's not a bankrupting expense you have there for your insulin, it's an "article of faith"

"there's no good way to do healthcare when our country's operating principle is making as much money as possible"

I agree and also think the love of money is the root of all evil but

when more than 10% of USAians work in the health care sector & when almost 20% (and rising!) of GDP is spent on health care, changes to this operating principle are a big fucking deal. I agree that this crisis is the time to go for it (I voted for Sanders this time) but it would be good to be upfront about how many people are going to take a hit from M4A, even if your (my) ultimate view thinks the good brought from this outweighs the damage. It's something like class warfare.

lol Fred finally copping to his pro-Biden stance in making equivalence btw this and Bernie thread

this is a thread for Joe Biden boosters I guess?

some would say that as the presumptive nominee (<sic>27 territories have yet to cast primary votes</sic>) we should all be Biden boosters!

If you have good coverage, if you're years or decades removed from making $9 an hour, the response from people for whom progress on those fronts represents real improvements in the material conditions of their lives

^^like, this is more or less me. well, except for the "good coverage" part; i'm self-employed, generally healthy and have opted for a "bronze" plan (or the "stripped copper wire plan", h/t Trillbillies Worker Party).

but i am extremely comfortable, and haven't had to really worry about money or paying for things in well over a decade. but i also know exactly how much luck has played a role in my situation, and how badly it sucked back when i was working various service industry jobs, sometimes simultaneously. and with just a hit or two of bad luck how quickly my fortunes could be reversed.

I wish we could quarantine you guys in your own thread where you could shout your articles of faith at each other

― Οὖτις, 3. april 2020 18:45 (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

Tbf I did post in the Berner thread at times, so they didn't have that for themselves. I'm very sorry, I had no idea the consequences would be so dire.

― Frederik B, Friday, April 3, 2020 9:49 AM (seventeen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

so I just went to the Bernie thread and searched "Frederik B"

160 matches

Ouch...

some would say that as the presumptive nominee (<sic>27 territories have yet to cast primary votes</sic>) we should all be Biden boosters!

10% of USAians work in the health care sector

clearly there would be a pretty massive shift, but i dont know that the work wouldn't still be there. unless you work in the private health insurance industry (and hopefully marketing etc for big pharma), in which case a uni overhaul would absolutely need to address these concerns.

or less charitably, one could take a page from the lib consultant class and tell these folks to just lEaRn tO CoDe lol

"Vampires are draining 20% of your blood each night, if we stop them from doing that how are they going to get blood?"

There would have to be a lot of re-training and shifting of resources but IIRC everyone advocating for M4A/an NHS/etc. recognizes and accounts for that need.

so I just went to the Bernie thread and searched "Frederik B"

160 matches

I just searched "melt " on this thread and

if anyone points out it's not true, it's melt this and 'captain-save-a-Joe' that.

this claim by Fred is the only use of it

had a tuna melt this week, it was good, let's have more melts

ew

Yes I’m White And I Vote!!

for tuna melts

ay, public option is better than current but clearly inferior as a matter of fairness and efficiency by all that i can suss. but if the political barrier is too fucking high, which maybe it is, i'd settle on public option reluctantly.

but the center needs to accept that the us system is soooo difficult to move at all that systemic progressive changes are almost impossible. you need either a depression or cold war style prosperity to make them real. with half a depression, you get...obamacare.

for that reason dems need to remember that what we're building, if we can build it-- we may be stuck with for a long time. the reality is all employer dependent care systems ultimately should (i say must) be shucked-the-fuck-out of healthcare. it hurts our people. it limits our freedom. it actually sucks the vitality out of our economy. it was a series of half-steps as implemented afaict and it must go eventually. we should be willing to fight for this even now imo. right now.

i mean, i'll vote for either candidate. as to m4a level healthcare payment, there may come a time to shut up and toe the line. after the nomination is official maybe? regardless, the ceasefire should be temporary at best because the cause is worthwhile.

If you can’t convince the majority of the electorate that switching to M4A is to their benefit, then all the “fighting” in the world isn’t going to do much.

Currently it’s not even possible to win the primary on this issue. Cue a post blaming it on big donors and the DNC.

just proves that not enough people have said "medicare for all" on television enough times yet

If we end up with Medicare For All, the most likely end scenario given where we are starting from is that baseline Medicare coverage will suck ass and people who can afford it will end up purchasing Medicare Advantage plans anyway.

Employer-based healthcare is a gigantic crock of shit so I'd see that as something of an improvement.

I make enough money where I shouldn't have any financial concerns but an acquisition caused a medical benefit change where the one monthly prescription I take went from $25/month to $1800/month. I now have a new job primarily so I can afford to stay on medication.

(On a related note, self-insuring is an even bigger crock of shit)

yowww that's awful, djp

god damn that is criminal

i always try to emphasize that employer based healthcare is a force that stifles our economy far more than it helps it, because i th-ink it's true and also even hyper-entrepreneurial douchebags get it. (just kidding, you douchebags).

xp truly sorry to hear that difficulty djp.

If you can’t convince the majority of the electorate that switching to M4A is to their benefit, then all the “fighting” in the world isn’t going to do much.

Currently it’s not even possible to win the primary on this issue. Cue a post blaming it on big donors and the DNC.

― El Tomboto, Friday, April 3, 2020 1:39 PM (twelve minutes ago)

given that this pandemic is a real issue affecting actual people and not some abstraction or political science experiment, I genuinely hope that your response to your interpretation of the polling has been to work to change this. I hope your posts on this board are not reflective of the conversations you have with everyday people or the letters you write to your representatives. "the electorate" includes you. you are not a pundit, you're a person with a voice. when I am on conference call discussing how we are going to ration ventilators after we run out, or how we'll take care of people who can't get one; or when I'm thinking about the millions of people like my patients who are going to be hospitalized and stuck with a bill they can't afford; or when I think about how my patients, a shocking percentage of whom were already homeless, and how they are going to afford rent or feed themselves, my response is not to tell other people to stay in line, or to pray that the democratic nominee ascends to the throne with his platform completely intact; my response is: what the fuck. what the fuck what the fuck what the fuck. how are we going to help these people. the time to try things we would not normally try is now. the time to push our representatives and presumptive nominee is now. the time -- the same time REPUBLICANS UNANIMOUSLY PASSED A 2 TRILLION DOLLAR SPENDING BILL -- to take risks is now. the party is perfectly capable of putting forth half-measures without people like you and neera tanden caping for it. they don't need your help. the people who will be left behind do

I really wish everyone could see MN governor Tim Walz speaking right now, he's doing such an amazing job

I really wish everyone would recite the serenity prayer to themselves before posting in this stupid thread, myself included

naaah man the serenity prayer is for suckers when it comes to politics. that's the one lesson i learned from the conservative movement

Kevin otm

There are no moderate solutions to radical dysfunction.

"and the courage to always post about my opinions on the internet"

would be easier w/o the constant erring on the side of "cannot change"

i am in a 12-step program to help me stop reading these threads

my preferred mantra is Hillel's

https://www.sefaria.org/Pirkei_Avot.1.14?lang=bi

I'm not sure the mantra is "cannot change." For me it's: 1. Advocate better policies. 2. Get elected. 3. Attain power. 4. Use that power to improve lives.

Right now we are, all of us, stuck on step 1.

April 3:

What are we even doing here pic.twitter.com/PP5Izguefq

— j/o Biden (@lukeoneil47) April 3, 2020

xp not all of us^

the posts on this board where I clearly explain my personal political preferences are indicative of the conversations I have with actual people, including fellow voters. They are indicative of where I put my campaign donations. I’m sure I probably sound like a Republican to you but idgaf what you think because you don’t know me.

um I was referring to Joe Biden with my ^

anyway you don't sound like a Republican to me, you sound like a Democrat but so do most people in my real life and they're cool

I was responding to kevin’s rant

ah. that a quality post tho

picturing tombot in north face drip rn