Joe Biden, Senator from Citibank (oops, DELAWARE), to Run for President

maybe conspiracy theorist isn't the right term there. crackpot?

but the sad thing is, it can't be taken for granted she is telling the truth either. it's a black box. erring on the side of one account or the other doesn't really make sense. there needs to be, i guess, better reporting trying to corroborate that story or identify a pattern of behavior.

Eight women have come forward against Biden making sexual harassment claims & at least one sexual assault. Say their names:
-Lucy Flores
-Amy Lappos
-D.J Hill
-Caitlyn Caruso
-Ally Coll
-Sofie Karasek
-Vail Kohnert-Yount
-Tara Reade

It's time to #UnEndorseBiden #TimesUpBiden

— #IBelieveTara (@PepperOceanna) March 27, 2020

How many more women need to publicly come forward with similar allegations of misconduct before you're able to successfully "identify a pattern of behavior" from the guy who silenced eyewitness testimony in support of Anita Hill, said a woman doesn't have the right to her own body, and claims the Supreme Court went too far in deciding Roe v. Wade? Refusing to see glaring evidence of a pattern of conduct doesn't mean it isn't there. And you don't need hard blood and DNA evidence that rarely exists outside of CSI and other similar fiction when it comes to long-term allegations like this to have the courtesy of giving the woman, the one who actually has everything to lose going public with such allegations compared to the former vice president of the United States, the initial benefit of the doubt without rushing to poke every possible hole in her story (that she probably still isn't comfortable fully sharing considering the repercussions she's already had to deal with trying to tell it, if you're so curious as to why it might still be changing!) and calling her a RuSsIaN aSsEt like a ghoul (not saying you personally did that but sadly I can't say the same about others in this thread).

I believe the seven credible stories

again, the version of her story she's telling now is not similar to the other claims (including the claim she made earlier), so it doesn't fit the "pattern of conduct" that we've seen with biden. and nobody's doubted the earlier claims against him. and, frankly, not many ppl on this board were enthusiastic about biden as a person or as a candidate. there are specific reasons why this accusation is being doubted.

Not a single person on ILX is enthusiastic about Biden.

Deservedly.

i blame him for thinking it was ok to run for president in a half-assed way

The Dem primary electorate seems to also think it was OK, though.:(

There's a write up in Vox: https://www.vox.com/2020/3/27/21195935/joe-biden-sexual-assault-allegation The medium post from January is what led to new media interest, which led to her now telling a story that really doesn't fit with that medium post either. This story is obviously made up.

Reade, for her part, said she did not include the assault accusation when she spoke out last year because the harassment was easier to talk about, in part because others had witnessed it.

“I wanted to share the whole thing, but at the same time I was too scared,” she said. “I just wasn’t quite ready.”

Since then, Grim has contacted Reade’s friend and brother, both of whom say she told them about the alleged sexual assault by Biden in 1993.

“Woefully, I did not encourage her to follow up,” her brother told the Intercept. “I wasn’t one of her better advocates. I said let it go, move on, guys are idiots.”

Yeah, that's another part where the story changes. From TheIntercept: In that first interview, she decided to tell a piece of the story, she said, that matched what had happened to Flores — plus, she had filed a contemporaneous complaint, and there were witnesses, so she considered the allegation bulletproof.

The Dem primary electorate seems to also think it was OK, though.:(

central flaw of "democratic republics": voters are amateurs and/or dumb

So first she was telling the part that was most believable. A few days later it's because she was scared.

How the hell does that undermine her claim? She told the part of her story that could be corroborated by others who were there and held back on the more traumatic part because she couldn't prove it.

That's not at all what she said at first.

Also, her original story was never corroborated by others...

She said at first that she told the story that matched what Lucy Flores said, because that was what was most believable. That's not what she says anymore.

oh my god

what are you, Joe Biden's nephew or something?

Why are you so obsessed with me Hadrian? It's creepy as fuck

dude tens of thousands of people are literally suffocating to death right now and you are barfposting *all day long* about an accusation made against a presidential candidate in a country you don't live in

just give it a fucking rest

Yeah, I know that, one of those people was a friend of mine.

ok then. perspective.

Give it a fucking rest yourself. That would save both of us time.

just stop constantly posting in these u.s. politics threads. I'm begging you.

ok ilx liberals you have successfully defended Joe Biden's honour for the day. give yourself a pat on the back

Go to hell. Honestly. MeToo is a global story. Journalistic standards aren't us specific. How many times do I have to say it?

I don't all of a sudden think a MeToo story is unimportant because the accused is a politician I don't personally support.

How many times do I have to say it?

I'm reluctant to put a number on it, but I'm guessing it's probably....a lot more times. Over and over again.

That's a damning indictment of this place

Fred

xp It would be if it had anything to do with the issue. It doesn't. It's about your posting.

Earlier today we had this exchange:

it's a fair point but Fred, again...what is up with this insistance on these things? You're like a full month out ahead on this story, making these claims like you have a serious personal stake in the fate of Joe Biden

it's just...weird

― Yanni Xenakis (Hadrian VIII), 27. marts 2020 14:46 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

@Hadrian: I'm more invested in MeToo. When I'm 'making claims' on the Woody Allen thread, it's not because I hate Annie Hall. But I'm invested in these stories being told and having an impact. I have friends trying to do this, I see people in positions of power who shouldn't be there because of investigations I know that have failed.

― Frederik B, 27. marts 2020 15:04 (yesterday) bookmarkflaglink

You ask, I answer, you ask the same fucking question, I give the same fucking answer.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/22e65c39a534a53b639beef716a6a4a8/tumblr_oiyt7ggbXp1vbbcoto3_540.gifv

ok ilx liberals you have successfully defended Joe Biden's honour for the day. give yourself a pat on the back

― COVID and the Gang (jim in vancouver), Friday, March 27, 2020 10:59 PM (sixteen minutes ago)

sure beats bragging about how you haven't bothered to look into this story but still jumping in to make a couple of worthless comments about it

there are multiple forms of bad posting itt

Frederik B at 12:44 28 Mar 20

She said at first that she told the story that matched what Lucy Flores said, because that was what was most believable. That's not what she says anymore

Yes, I know that very basic thing. i don't for a second believe that is what happened in this case.

Is there any possible way a story could be discredited for you if that story happened to hurt Joe Biden? Serious question. What would give you pause for concern?

Fred sometimes I feel bad when people kneejerk pile on you but ffs flip the logic of that post

Like this feeble, gropey misogynist right wing cunt is the ILX hill you want to die on?

Ffs that does not work at all! Because this specific story has red flags all over. About everything! Which has nothing to do with Biden, and also I'm not a Biden supporter.

The hill here is not Biden, it's that this story isn't true!!!

How the fuck can that be so hard to comprehend? There could be a story about Trump that didn't add up, and I would say so, and if people here began claiming that no, the story just had to make sense, then we would have a clusterfuck as well, and that would not make me a Trump supporter.

"isn't true" has a level of certitude that feels misplaced

Apart from when Jacob Wohl has been involved, it has never been less misplaced than here.

On these kinds of accusations, that is.

It's easy to write in haste when you're being piled on from all sides, so picking out one phrase as insufficiently qualified seems like a bad read. His last ten posts do not reflect such certitude and should be taken as modifying the "isn't true" to "has red flags".

https://technospiritualist.files.wordpress.com/2013/05/energizer-bunny.jpg

I've made it halfway through the Biden CNN town hall--need to get out for a walk. Generally, he's been pretty good, by which I mean pretty lucid. At one point he did that thing where he stops himself mid-sentence if he thinks he's gone on too long; sort of makes sense in a debate, tonight he's not being timed, so that was weird. I honestly don't know what to think. You see those clips where he seems lost, tonight he seems better.