2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

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"i'm going to kill myself to work for him and make sure he defeats donald trump"

yeah what was the rest of that sentence?

also, note that the first place I saw the article on the Biden assault (yahoo) has removed the story.

NY primary pushed to June 23

new survival target date for me

MORE: Strong enthusiasm for Joe Biden among his supporters—just 24%—is the lowest on record for a Democratic presidential candidate in 20 years of ABC/WaPo polls. 53% of Pres. Trump’s supporters are highly enthusiastic about supporting him. https://t.co/pSBggBV4i6

— ABC News (@ABC) March 29, 2020

cool

who could have predicted this

chaka khan

Joe Biden: I Feel (for) Every Woman

I mean I'm sure a very high proportion of Tulsi Gabbard supporters were highly enthusiastic about supporting her

I feel all good people

I mean I'm sure a very high proportion of Tulsi Gabbard supporters were highly enthusiastic about supporting her

This is fine 2.0.

I mean I'm sure a very high proportion of Tulsi Gabbard supporters were highly enthusiastic about supporting her

There’s déjà vu in these results: Former Secretary of State Hillary Clinton found herself in largely the same position four years ago. She, too, had a slim lead among Democrats for the nomination and ran essentially evenly with Trump among registered voters. And she lagged in enthusiasm, with a low of 32% very enthusiastic in September 2016. Biden is 8 points under that mark now.

Bad as Biden’s enthusiasm score is, we’ve seen worse: As few as 17% of former Republican presidential nominee and Arizona Sen. John McCain’s supporters were very enthusiastic about his candidacy in 2008, and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney saw 23% in 2012.

great

Joe, Joe, he's our man
if he can't do it, well maybe he'll die and Klobbo take over or something

is there anything on betting market for odds of Presidential candidate dying mid-campaign

sort of - you can go on predictit and put some money on biden alternatives. if biden dies or is hospitalized you'd probably make some cash

cool!

*takes out $10,000*

now the waiting game

I think it's wiser to hedge against yourself here...it probably only pays a nickle on the dollar but if he *does* keel over you can consider it money well spent

really bummed that Bernie isn't running for President anymore

National GE:
Sanders 53% (+6)
Trump 47%@Harvard-@HarrisPoll 3/24-26https://t.co/q9Wd7uiuON

— Political Polls (@Politics_Polls) March 31, 2020

I dunno how much to read into that low enthusiasm poll. the fact that Biden is not 'exciting' in any way is a big part of why he's winning.

people are very enthusiastic about removing Trump from office and that's what this election is gonna be about

^^^^ this

I dunno how much to read into that low enthusiasm poll. the fact that Biden is not 'exciting' in any way is a big part of why he's winning.

voter enthusiasm for the candidate and whether or not biden is "exciting" are two different questions. i think you're right, though, about what the election is about. yet again, it is entirely about donald trump.

why that worries me: if it's all about donald trump, then the results are subject to the whims of the media and public. it may obvious to you or I that he is criminally incompetent, but that was also true in fall 2016. and there are polls showing that the negatives for trump are sky high, that the enthusiasm for him is concentrated among a base that doesn't make up a majority, and that most people who don't love him actually hate his fucking guts (which makes it hard for him to expand his base). but much of that was true in 2016 as well.

it would be really neat to have a candidate face trump who generates enthusiasm, so that if/when large swaths of the public somehow think his normalized behavior even accepts acceptability, democrats have something to push back with. but we have biden instead, and clinton before that.

all i know is the only democrat who has won during my adult life is barack obama. al gore was a better choice than bush, clearly. john kerry, as much as everyone shits on him as a candidate, was clearly a better choice than bush. h clinton was clearly better than trump, to anyone who isn't a fucking moron (i refuse to back down on my extreme contempt for anyone who even pretends otherwise). but none of them had enthusiasm among the democrats, at least among people my age. the only time people around me were EXCITED about a candidate was 2008 barack obama, and 2016/20 bernie sanders.

at this point can't relate to anyone who doesn't want both trump and biden to drop dead tbh, unfortunately the virus has been very very bad at targeting the deserving thus far

xxp yes: The electorate can be enthused about a stay-the-course candidate, and they can be unenthused about the change-maker.

In this case unfortunately they are unenthused about the former.

yet again, it is entirely about donald trump.

unfortunately yup

km otfm

Biden needs to name his woman VP first, *then* they can both drop dead imo

xps

um it got Boris, Bolsonaro and Tom Hanks

I meant *successfully* targeting.

sometimes I get a bullshitty vibe about the importance and even the idea of measuring "voter enthusiasm" like when sports talking heads go on and on about nebulous concepts like "locker room culture"

I get that but polling re: enthusiasm seems in general to jibe with election outcome

You measure it with polling, just like the “Biden’s 10 points ahead!!!” counterweight above.

putting his awfulness in a million other respects aside, him campaigning for another 8 mos when he can only occasionally complete a sentence or thought on camera might just put a damper on those numbers no matter how much ppl hate trump. that's my feelingm, anyway. if I were in the shoes of a democrat I'd be panicking.

"locker room culture" is closer to "electability"

I will be utterly lacking enthusiasm when I pull the lever for Biden. Luckily, enthusiasm is not required to complete that rote action. I'm sure this is reflective of many other people.

I don't understand "enthusiasm." I look forward to new albums, movies, books by favorite artists; I don't get thinking a politician embodies my hopes. In primaries I vote for candidates who best meet my political goals; in general elections I vote for the Dem. That's that.

#postsverymuchincharacter

I'm sure this is reflective of many other people.

imagine being sure of anything rn. couldn't be me!!

enthusiasm is probably as nebulous as “electability”, but I think I know what Obama had that Kerry and Hillary did not

skills at giving Terrorist Fist Bumps (TFBs).

Is March over yet

just another few hundred days left iirc

can you believe we were still talking about p*t* b*tt*g**g less than a month ago

in like a lamb, out like a catastrophe

^^my favorite cedric bixler-zavala line

if you asked me if I'm enthusiastic about Biden, I would say not at all

if you asked me if I would rise out of my death bed to go vote for him I'd say yes

MN right? I can’t say I blame you.

Pete sucked but honestly I think even he inspired more enthusiasm among his flock than Biden's managed. unfortunately his flock was mostly just white-collar dorks who thought Warren was too radical.

I will be utterly lacking enthusiasm when I pull the lever for Biden. Luckily, enthusiasm is not required to complete that rote action. I'm sure this is reflective of many other people.

That's the problem - enthusiasm IS required, because voting is not actually a rote action. You have to give a shit to take time out of your day, to stand in line (sometimes for hours), to argue with a poll worker trying to tell you you're ineligible, etc..