woody allen

yeah, it's not like these are the first allegations against mia. the whole situation is sordid and confusing. better not to get involved

yeah I find people who express certainty about what happened in that family truly baffling

The thing is that one daughter claims Woody molested her, and nothing happens, we just don't know enough, separate art and artists.

Then one son says Mia was bad too, and she's dropped immediately, just can't stand it, the whole thing is too sordid to contemplate.

The hypocrisy and sexism is just so massive.

Nobody has been dropped, not Woody, not Mia. Neither will be in financial trouble from this, whether they deserve to be or not. People make personal choices about what art to consume and support. What more should be reasonably expected?

nice strawman you got there Fred

I would honestly expect with the constant drumming of 'Woody Allen has never been convicted! We just don't know!' that there would have been some similar kind of reaction to the allegations against Mia. But I haven't seen it anywhere.

Mia Farrow has never been convicted. We just don't know.

There we are.

probably bc no one takes the allegations against mia v seriously at all?

Apparantly Camaraderie and Treeship do?

Fred needs to join a different drum circle

camaraderie tho says he's not watching allen stuff either. you can't mix and match opinions to get the strawman you want.

my position is: there are a lot of insane allegations about what happened in the family, and there have been since the 90s. Neither Mia nor Woody has made anything worth watching in 20 years. These two things are not necessarily related. I do not care about what happens to either of them going forward.

I'm guessing Camarederie has watched a Woody Allen film in the last 25 years, though, but would be happy to be wrong

There was a decade long free pass for Woody, and after people in the end began turning on him, an article came out that made a lot of people turn on Mia in minutes.

that is not what happened

altho tbh I can't tell if your frame of reference is the general public, the world of film criticism, or ilx - all of which are different

i hate to agree with Fred but I think he's kind of right on that; when did Woody get really dropped by the public? Just a few years ago I feel; like, Blue Jasmine is the last good film of his I'm aware of but he had major distribution up until a few years ago.

idk what do you mean by "the public"? My mom dropped him when the whole soon-yi thing came out, for ex.

Well, part of my frame of reference is that that Brett Stephens article sure got shared by a lot of people I would have expected more of.

people I know went and saw his movies in theaters through Blue Jasmine. after that, I don't know anyone who saw a woody allen movie in a theater.

I don't even know what Brett Stephens article you're referring to.

Mia's alleged treatment of Moses has been publicized previously, if that's what it covers.

I mean, Woody has definitely been dropped, Amazon didn't release his films, he can't get funding to make new ones, actors have come out saying they won't work with him. Which is probably exactly why he has gone on the offensive. And I think it's scary to see that it kinda works on some people.

oh wait sorry I'm mixing up Moses with Thaddeus

argh don't even want to dig into this shitpile anymore...

xps

No, the Brett Stephens article was in the NYT relating to the book deal thing. Nobody should care about it, but it's a real wtf thing to see friends share a Bedbug-column and saying it's thoughtful. I don't think they know the bedbug.

i think the soon-yi relationship was seriously unsettling. even though she was an "adult," there are boundaries you don't cross and i think he is a bad person for pursuing his girlfriend's teenage daughter. i don't care if, subsequently, they had the world's best marriage.

with the dylan accusation, i don't know what happened. it is an extremely serious crime. if he is guilty of it, which he might be, he shouldn't just be canceled, he should go to jail.

We don't know what happened that evening, so he shouldn't go to jail for it, but the fact that his reaction, when Mia Farrow called him saying Dylan had told her something bad happened, was to begin custody proceedings, turning the whole sordid thing public in the first place, should have cost him his career immediately.

There's been so much obfuscation by Woody, and his worked. It has absolutely worked.

didn't work that well. i think he is a creep and possibly a child molester.

He had a career for decades afterwards, so I'll say it worked

His latest got a VOD release here. Not like usual, but still. Something changed a bit.

hypothetically, if woody wasn't guilty of the crime, what would the correct course of action been? in 1992?

didn't work that well. i think he is a creep and possibly a child molester.

― treeship., Tuesday, March 24, 2020 4:38 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

What are you actually arguing about Fred B, we are all on the same page for this. But the only thing you can do is not pay to watch his films, which he still seems to be making, and not buying his book, which seems to be available despite everything. That's it.

Sorry, unclear, wanted to do a +1 on treeship above

hypothetically, if woody wasn't guilty of the crime, what would the correct course of action been? in 1992?

― treeship., 24. marts 2020 17:43 (thirty-four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Like, anything would have been better than what Woody did. From the custody ruling:

Mr Allen's response to Dylan's claims of sexual abuse was an attack on Ms Farrow, whose parenting ability and emotional stability he impugned without the support of any significant credible evidence. His trail strategy has been to separate his children from their brothers and sisters; to turn the children against their mother; to divide adopted children from biological children; to incite the family against their household help; and to set household employees against each other. His self-absorption, his lack of judgment and his commitment to the continuation of his divisive assault, thereby impeding the healing of the injuries that he has already caused, warrant a careful monitoring of his future contact with his children.

fair enough. i mean, he was obviously willing to destroy that family by dating soon-yi

obv fuck Woody, but I mean, sadly I don't know if Mia was "dropped" because of articles so much as she is a 75 year old woman in Hollywood

yeah I find people who express certainty about what happened in that family truly baffling

― Οὖτις, Tuesday, March 24, 2020 3:10 PM (six hours ago)

yeah, this is how i feel about it too

fwiw i rewatched crimes and misdemeanors a couple weeks ago and i can report that it is now genuinely weird to see woody and mia together onscreen

Just finished Woody Allen's memoir, and for the most part enjoyed it. Questions?

— Dennis Perrin (@DennisThePerrin) June 6, 2020

why does anyone like this child rapist

great take

Here you go:

https://www.theguardian.com/film/2020/may/29/do-i-really-care-woody-allen-comes-out-fighting

u sound like the Sleeper robot tailor a bit xxp

could read thread

i'm not reading that bs

honestly a disgusting thread anyone defending him is scum

you know it all ok millennial

howbout Chaplin?

It's worth reading if you want an answer to your question ('why does anyone like…').

smh snowflake millenials not thinking child rape is nbd

fuck chaplin too. and orwell, neruda, picasso, whoever else you want to catch me out with

it was a rhetorical question btw i know why ppl don't care

yeah I know, men suck. unique take there

at least Mia Farrow got good work out of it

scum