2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

I got in my first (and last) political Twitter beefs discussing this, but the support for Sherif Joe was a ratfucking to help kyrsten sinema. There’s no other way that makes any sense. I’m not defending it or saying it’s ok, but That’s likely what it was. Happy to learn otherwise if that’s the case.

bernistic: fred vs trevor

thanks Dan. these things are good to know. And I can see how that would make sense.

even so, I’d still like to see how Reid, Maddow et al would be covering if the script was flipped.

I disapprove of ratfucking elections, but under Citizens United it is a wide open option for the wealthy. And rich people love to throw their weight around. As I recall, Warren is on the record as wanting to overturn Citizens United. Her final mistake wasn't associating her campaign with one particular rich person who tried to ratfuck an AZ election, but her opening the door to any rich people at all.

lol wins

Bernie is out with daily first-rate approaches to the crisis, acting like a leader, and Biden’s staff is trying to develop him as a reality TV character in the mold of Beto. And he’s the “realistic,” “pragmatic” candidate.

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) March 22, 2020

Well, it's true, Sanders remains a nominee in competition.

Bernie Sanders is calling for $2,000/month payments to every person in America and absolutely gutting the flimsy & insufficient means-testing approaches proposed by Republicans. pic.twitter.com/sm7ujfFesB

— jordan (@JordanUhl) March 22, 2020

That's the stuff

Monthly is key. More money will circulate if people have it to spare.

I might use mine to fund friends GoFundMes at this rate

yeah if a check actually comes to me I'm liable to just turn around and donate it somewhere, since I'm fortunate enough to not have my income impacted by this (so far)

good, you should! universal checks is sensible absolutely necessary policy

Majority of people i know will probably be fucked without one

Biden's teleprompter broke pic.twitter.com/kgGqYV6wl2

— Timothy Burke (@bubbaprog) March 23, 2020

I’m not sure I understand why Bernie dead-ender think arguing that the guy who beat them soundly is literally senile makes the case for their approach to politics look stronger rather than weaker.

— Matthew Yglesias (@mattyglesias) March 23, 2020

huh?

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holy shit biden looks terrible

Translation:

"Why do Sanders supporters think that calling Biden senile makes Sanders look a better choice considering how badly Biden beat Sanders at the polls?"

pic.twitter.com/njwOdQacMl

— PBF Comics (@PerryFellow) March 19, 2020

aren't dem primary voters more left-wing in every way than the general electorate or is this the "non-voters will show up when they haven't so far" theory of the case

Senile politicians are Bernies cryptonite. He can beat anything else, but not that.

that's kind of a dumb question given that the majority of voters seem to have no clue what Biden's proposals are and seem to actually like all of Bernie's signature policies

xp why during this global crisis are you obsessing over the primary campaign in another country?

maybe this is a good moment to give it a rest

Biden's not just any senile politician. He's got the Obama Brand of Electability.

Biden’s going to get flayed in November, just absolutely decimated, and y’all are still going to be in here snarking about how Bernie just couldn’t pull it out in... Alabama

you saw the poll results pretty much everyone on ilx wants bernie. we're obv not the ppl who need convincing.

biden has ben carson "pyramids were used to store grain" energy today

Bernie won the expat delegates: https://www.democratsabroad.org/news?utm_campaign=20gppresultsemea1&utm_medium=email&utm_source=democratsabroad

and yes duh obviously I realize he cratered after Super Tuesday, but ime the anger is more at the Democratic Party and the media circling the wagons in favor of an absolute loser than voters whom I believe have absolutely been cowed by notions of “electability”

eh that's only part of the explanation. You're removing agency from voters, some of whom are besotted with MSNBC notions of electability, others of whom as people of color cast a jaundiced eye on white saviors. But I'm tired of repeating this.

voters weren't brainwashed. if they believed bernie wasn't electable it's not bc someone tricked them into thinking it. idk why they believe biden is more electable but if you're right and they do that's on the voters imo not the "party."

not sure how Biden is any less of a “white savior”, but instead of uni healthcare it’s for showing that Cheeto what’s what by god, but ok

xp voters are untrickable, it's true

the united states electorate has a magnificent bullshit detector and is thankfully impervious to corporate media narratives

imagine where we'd be otherwise?

ILE.

that's kind of a dumb question given that the majority of voters seem to have no clue what Biden's proposals are and seem to actually like all of Bernie's signature policies

It's almost as if lots of voters make decisions based on things other than policies

voters made it clear over and over that their #1 priority is getting rid of tRump cheeto mango Mussolini small hands etc. It's fair given the history of leftist Presidents getting elected (which has happened zero times) to doubt that Bernie could make it happen. it just sucks that people think Biden is really a safer bet.

now there's a post I can agree with

It's almost as if lots of voters make decisions based on things other than policies

You're literally saying people were brainwashed

Yglesias is over-thinking it. Calling Biden 'dead' is just how they are rolling. The guy looks like shit, that's all.

he literally did not say that
xp

i literally shit my pants every time someone makes that mistake

if the left wants to win they need to become the mainstream either by allying/networking with mainstream dem politicians or by beating them in primaries until they control the party. i think that's the only real lesson the left needs to take away. it should try both imo - primary seats to move the party left and do better work allying with more mainstream + moderate dems so that when the time comes you don't only have a handful of junior congresswomen and radical leftie professors endorsing you.

Frederik B is the kindest, bravest, most wonderful poster I've ever known in my human life

i'm sure this has been brought up before, but might make sense for sanders to stay in, just in case one of them dies

Sort of like a "pinch hitter"

That's more like it xp

yeah I mean I get that, I mean I had the same fears b/c I really do think there's a large swath of people who do not like Trump and won't vote for him in 2020 UNLESS a perceived spooky socialist gets the nom, in which case they'll have no choice but to vote Trump for their own financial interests. just sucks that the "safe" choice we ran with is a 77 year old centrist who can barely speak right now and is basically MIA during a major crisis

re Joe dyin — that’s when it’s definitely going to go sideways bc the party will 100% just coronate whomever they want, which, as I understand it, is absolutely their prerogative. but damn, it’s going to get ugly.