2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

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Remember, be careful removing Joe from his packaging as he is very fragile. If you are under the age of 12, get a parent to help you.

shame on us for expecting the front-running candidate for the Democratic Party's nomination for President of the United States to demonstrate some goddamn leadership, for fuck's sake

silby, the presumptive nominee whom every democratic politician of any influence has endorsed has no political clout. please grow up

there is no point in demonstrating leadership until after the election

Cool -- two ephemeral Biden arguments in two threads.

i agree though, his current silence doesn't really matter though.. he's obviously not a leader who everyone is going to rally around. he's going to be nominee because everyone united to make sure a progressive wouldn't get it. he's a vessel for everyone else to put their hopes and dreams in - the more he talks, the more he damages his candidacy. which is why he is the perfect candidate for president of the united states, lol

let's just not mention Joe Biden again until 2021-01-20, he's not relevant

Can't wait to vote for Generic D. Candidate of the great state of Winnemac in November!

I mean, people aren't voting for him because of his policies or his ability to lead, they voted for him because he's got "electability" and they foolishly think that their Republican friends will vote for him for the sake of "sanity"

[]he's going to be nominee because everyone united to make sure a progressive wouldn't get it[/i]

you drew the right conclusions from South Carolina, Florida, Georgia, etc.

a candidate's qualities should kind of sneak up on you right after the voting part, keeps things fresh

so did you!

we did a great job!

xp

there is no point in demonstrating leadership until after the election

Tony [to Joe]: “In this country, you gotta make the money first. Then when you get the money, you get the power. Then when you get the power, then you show leadership.”

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Remember, be careful removing Joe from his packaging as he is very fragile. If you are under the age of 12, get a parent to help you.

is that because he's made of glass? thank you for clarifying your point wasn't quite crystal the first hundred times you dropped this sub-Morbsian nickname

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" they foolishly think that their Republican friends will vote for him for the sake of "sanity""

look, I voted for Warren and was hoping for Sanders in the end but I do in fact know a few people who are essentially Republicans (I think they maybe are registered 'no party preference' but they always vote Republican) who will vote for him for exactly this reason.

cool they can form the base of one of the two post-Democratic-schism parties together.

I take it no one is watching Bernie's live town hall right now? He's killing it, as usual.

Never mind, some bozo is now singing a very terrible song

i continue to believe that joe would be an improvement on trump

challopsy!

Inslee giving a live presser right now that's a horrendous reminder that if voters wanted an old white guy who sounds reassuring, at least it could have been one with good policies, a strong legislative record, who does research, and who cares about people.

(and speaks in long, coherent sentences)

Inslee is great, I wish he would have gained some sort of momentum

In theory I agree that the Democratic nominee does have political power and shouldn’t be making himself scarecrow, but when that nominee is Joe Biden...maybe it’s not the worst idea. I don’t think anyone on this board really thinks he’s capable of delivering effective rhetoric that will benefit the country and his electoral chances right now. Instead I feel like people just want him to get out there and make a bumbling ass of himself so they can say “shoulda been Bernie!” Which is not super helpful to anyone right now. For better or (mostly) worse, Joe’s the guy we’ve got.

Haha scarce not scarecrow though honestly maybe scarecrow is more apt here

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My man.

For better or (mostly) worse, Joe’s the guy we’ve got.

Half the states still have to vote. If Joe did appear in public and have a complete meltdown, would you think folks should still rally behind him?

For anyone who was still curious (if there's anyone...feels like a million years ago now), the donor makeup of Persist PAC is out now.

https://docquery.fec.gov/cgi-bin/forms/C00739110/1391696//sa/ALL

lol, the biggest donor there basically just writes checks to every Democrat... and Joe Arpaio

Money to Candidates JURVETSON, KARLA
LOS ALTOS, CA 94022 PHYSICIAN 05-09-2018 $2,700.00 Arpaio, Joe (R)

She particularly supports women. I’m really curious about what the deal Is with the sheriff joe support.

Half the states still have to vote. If Joe did appear in public and have a complete meltdown, would you think folks should still rally behind him?

Just to set context here, you are asking this about a country that elected Donald Trump to be POTUS and where his unwavering support has not dropped below 30%.

Think about it pic.twitter.com/lSUtXBIt6G

— Dennis Hogan (@dennismhogan) March 20, 2020

sadly true

xp

btw did any of the three horny libertarians in Gabbard’s fan base have a meltdown when she endorsed Biden? I’m looking for lols.

I’m not on twitter anymore but I hope Michael Tracy cried about it

why are people obsessed with tulsi? it's not like her campaign actually caught on.

I'm not part of Gabbard's fanbase but I really did believe that she endorsed Sanders over Clinton in 16 out of anti-imperialist/anti-war principle: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/feb/28/tulsi-gabbard-quits-dnc-support-bernie-sanders

Seems a bit empty now that she endorsed someone who backed the same wars as Clinton. Apparently, the Midwest weren't that committed to economic leftism either.

it seems like a craven move, to be honest. she is probably afraid of venturing too far outside the party mainstream.

there is no way, though, that she would have endorsed biden if he didn't already wrap this thing up.

i still think she is basically an anti-imperialist/interventionist and that this is the center of her worldview. when people say she is a "russian spoiler," a "hindu nationalist" or someone who "loves assad" those just seem like untrue and hysterical statements.

The way Gabbard has acted with Syria is incompatible with being anti-imperialist/war/interventionist.

I can’t say for sure about the horny chuds or libertarians and straight up alt-righters who gave her the time of day, but there was a not(?) insignificant chunk of young online lefty anti-establishment types on who had a weird affinity for her (even if they supported Bernie) who seem legitimately confused... and I’m just smdh

she’s so odd. but in a way maybe she’s the perfect avatar for our current political schizophrenia.

*confused by the Biden endorsement

she looks very nice in all white suits.

xp i'm not defending anything she did or said. they are not my positions. but i think she takes isolationism to the end—she doesn't think the US should move to oust dictators and, in syria, thought the support we gave to rebel groups did more harm than good. call it naïve, unprincipled, whatever -- most people would find meeting with assad grotesque! -- but it's not non-sensical and it doesn't mean she secretly likes these regimes she doesn't want to overthrow.

i just find the conspiracy-mongering, especially wrt russia, exhausting. like it's inconceivable now to just take someone on their own terms and criticize them for that.