2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

not sure how "Bernie gtfo" is going to facilitate a come-to-jesus moment

"Bernie gtfo" and sentiments like it are exactly what has been forestalling it for 40 years

It's called unifying the nation

Sanders to "assess campaign" and focus on coronavirus response
The Sanders’s campaign has just issued the following statement via campaign manager Faiz Shakir:

The next primary contest is at least three weeks away. Sen. Sanders is going to be having conversations with his supporters to assess his campaign. In the immediate term, however, he is focused on the government response to the coronavirus outbreak and ensuring that we take care of working people the most vulnerable

xp yes it always is

not sure how "Bernie gtfo" is going to facilitate a come-to-jesus moment

Maybe if we had a different candidate? But that last debate was Biden dismisisng systemic issues and root causes because "we have to address the virus first!" He was actually leveraging this crisis to avoid the underlying/exacerbating issues.

Why Bernie should abandon his post just when his own messaging is most relevant, and the evidence of this system's failing most on display, is beyond me. He's not hurting the party, he's helping the country.

But the voters so far have disagreed.

how dare he let people vote for him, when some other people have not voted for him

Damn didn't know ppl were writing in "bernie is hurting the country" on their ballots

Somewhat similar to when people were pushing Warren to drop out prematurely and endorse. Votes surely have to be earned

yell at boomers, yell at MSNBC et al, they deserve it and worse, but Alfred otm

Damn didn't know ppl were writing in "bernie is hurting the country" on their ballots

― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:07 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

no just on ilx

most ILXors aren't centrists, they just parrot their "cw"

ha I think that's actually most Dems nationally

"Hillary has supported a lot of shit, but she's 'qualified'"

turn off the fucking TVs

which brand of accelerationism is cooler:

Trump getting re-elected in 2020?
or
Biden grand-bargaining entitlement cuts, all for a shit-eating photo op and some media hand jobs, and then Democrats getting absolutely reamed in 2022 and 2024 by a GOP attacking them from the Left?

Thread

There's not much to say about the Democratic primary at this point. One thing I'd point out, though, is that the schedule has evolved in ways that may encourage Sanders to stay in the race, even though he is no longer competitive for the nomination

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) March 18, 2020

most ILXors aren't centrists, they just parrot their "cw"

and you post unread Dennis Perrin tweets. it's a shitty world.

DP > MSNBC, and I don't agree with him all the time

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/pkew3b/bernie-sanders-should-stay-in-the-presidential-race-even-though-he-cant-win?

Loving the shift from "Warren should drop out because she doesn't have a chance" to "Sanders should not drop out because reasons"

Sanders has a concrete offer, unlike Warren.

lmao

If Sanders is unlikely to win many more of the remaining states, I do think he should drop out. I thought, and think, he was right to stay in in 2016 since he was winning more states at this point, putting him in a good position to shape the platform at the convention (also to siphon off votes from Clinton and enable a Russian takeover obv).

Loving the shift from "Warren should drop out because she doesn't have a chance" to "Sanders should not drop out because reasons"

Two- and three-person races require different calculations!

Specifically when there are clear shared ideological goals for two of the three.

Sanders has a concrete offer, unlike Warren.

This is literally the dumbest thing written on this thread so far.

It can only go lower

Sanders has a concrete offer, unlike Warren.

huh?

To keep arguing the case for progressive policies in the current situation is reason enough to stay in, even when there is no path.

Warren would not be able to do this as she fell through as a progressive during her own campaign.

The only reason Biden has agreed to any progressive position is because Bernie and Warren were in the race. The second Bernie drops out Biden will no longer take such positions, because he will gamble that the left has no other place to go and will support him against the threat of another four years of Trump.

But at this point, Bernie should just get out because he has no shot. Also, I am sick of hearing about him as some bogeyman from ILX's pundit class. Then we can all just move on to the fun of Biden and Trump tripping over themselves to appeal to white working class voters.

lol @ bogeyman

Lol @ this too:

.@JoeBiden reaching out to @BernieSanders supporters in election night victory statement saying “Let me say to the young voters who have been inspired by Senator Sanders: I hear you” and saying he and Sen Sanders may disagree on tactics but share a common vision

— Andrea Mitchell (@mitchellreports) March 18, 2020

you lol a lot, Shakey, for someone w/ a lousy sense of humor

was he holding up his ear trumpet when he said that

xps

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOMqqI-kzHY

To keep arguing the case for progressive policies in the current situation is reason enough to stay in, even when there is no path.

Warren would not be able to do this as she fell through as a progressive during her own campaign.

― xyzzzz__, Wednesday, March 18, 2020 11:29 AM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

hard to believe the movement that decided elizabeth warren was not in fact a progressive politician somehow couldn't manage to get 51% of the vote

"inspired" a strange way of saying "there are potentially several decades of my future left and I would prefer it not to be a slow death"

the movement that decided elizabeth warren was not in fact a progressive politician

hard to deny her campaign didn't help that perception along

OK that's my last bit of rehashing for today

Can’t see this as anything but evil

“The decision to hold the elections at all today is a public health risk for everyone,” Kelly Viselman, the group’s organizing director, said on Tuesday. “The specific decision to allow polling places to be open at CHA senior buildings puts low-income seniors, an already high-risk population, at even greater risk. That’s extremely concerning.”

https://theintercept.com/2020/03/18/illinois-polling-locations-low-income-seniors/

*helped rather, too many negatives xp

Holding in-person elections was incredibly dangerous and stupid

I lost interest in EW back in November but never urged her to exit the race.

But the notion that calls for Bernie to stay in the race now are analogous to those her supporters were making a couple months ago is either disingenuous or stupid. EW didn't have a radically different platform and political philosophy to differentiate herself. She wasn't the only opposition to Biden Buttigieg et al, much less the *main* one. The issues she advocated for are by and large being represented *only* by Bernie Sanders now.

But I guess none of that shit matters and this really is all about personalities.

You're getting it!

if it was about personalities how the fuck would Biden still be involved?

This has ALWAYS been about personalities and sexism. Identity politics don't go away just because you've culled the field down to the old white men.

Arguably, since Bernie's support skews younger, going ahead with the primaries yesterday should have given him an advantage, since older people are more likely to be self-isolating and staying away from public places right now. Maybe a bit of that showed up in the IL results.

Arguably, it put him at a huge disadvantage, since younger people are more likely to be self-isolating and staying away from public places right now.

The Biden / Perez calculus of rushing through in-person, hours-long-queue primaries is especially self-destructive because even if it helps make Biden the nominee, it makes it more likely that those voters will be dead by November.

honestly calls for anybody to make any major decision at all about the race are extremely premature given that nobody is sure how there's even going to be a race amid all this

xxxp he's your uncle, you love him etc

nice choppers

xp -- not to trivialize the coronavirus at all but come the fuck on, there's not going to be a mass death of biden voters (and besides, surely if that happened it would also happen to trump voters) (but also, come the fuck on)