2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

He's murderous, yes, his actions w/r/t Kurds alone are enough and yeah I fear there is much, much more to come

blood on one's hands usually = complicity, and Bidy has been givin an assist to war crimes for several decades

bidy givin

Biden was a member of an elite 100 member institution since 1973 and VP for 8 and has his thumbprints all over the worst things this country did during those 43 years. Period.

'given an assist' vs being the main driver. No, it's not the same. I think it's dumb to look at it that way, sorry.

Plenty of arguments to abstain.

Biden does have blood on his hands, and he eased the way to confirming Clarence Thomas (who might have more blood).

He's still better than Trump and will vote for him gladly.

anyway, I’ll be voting for Biden because of Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who should have retired years ago.

Every politician has blood on his hands, that not my point. The system is bloody, and Biden even has more blood than most. But problem comes when stuff like 'given an assist' or 'has fingerprints on' becomes as bad as being a murderous president. Because yeah, Biden would be a lot less murderous president. He voted for the Iraq War, but does anyone think he would have decided to invade and fabricated all the evidence to do so if he had been in charge?

I mean assuming we have an election in November

Sanders won't be the nominee, and I've no objection to his staying in even if I see him losing more leverage as these county-by-county votes pour in. If anything, he and Warren have pushed Biden into unthinkable terrain (i.e. free college).

The primaries no longer matter. The fifty states need to start thinking how to keep polling stations clean for those who insist on voting on the same day. How this happens I've no idea. But voting by mail needs to become a thing, fast.

jks jks everything’s cool

fred maybe you don't understand the "blood on his hands" idiom

https://cdna.artstation.com/p/assets/images/images/003/221/750/large/federico-schroder-blood-on-your-hands-800.jpg?1471279881

if Sanders drops out now, Dems will pretend as much as they can that his supporters' views don't matter

that's how it works

Not all of whom could even vote.

if Sanders drops out now, Dems will pretend as much as they can that his supporters' views don't matter

that's how it works

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius),

If he stays and, assuming we have primaries, keeps losing by these numbers he has little to nothing to offer at the convention, assuming we have one.

That's how politics works.

Pundit Sotosyn is my least favorite iteration

Well, I got nothing to do until 11 a.m.

you mean no new music listicles to fill my FB feed?

When the Chapo guys start telling their listeners to go out and vote for Trump to destroy the Democratic Party and own the libs — which hey, could happen— then they tweeter will have a point.

The tweeter may well be right but then the question becomes whether to shame and insult those people, or whether to try and reach out to those people and if the Biden campaign is able to do that

Lessons possibly to be learned from Bernie's own failed attempts at this with Warren supporters

Arguably, since Bernie's support skews younger, going ahead with the primaries yesterday should have given him an advantage, since older people are more likely to be self-isolating and staying away from public places right now. Maybe a bit of that showed up in the IL results.

yep he’s toast and it’s time to gtfo (and I suspect he will)

but the dem party needs a come to Jesus moment p fucking badly or there’s going to be an exodus of disaffected poc working class, younger voters, and the Left that’s going to make “Reagan Democrats” look like a rounding error.

And not because of any cult of Bernie.

not sure how "Bernie gtfo" is going to facilitate a come-to-jesus moment

"Bernie gtfo" and sentiments like it are exactly what has been forestalling it for 40 years

It's called unifying the nation

Sanders to "assess campaign" and focus on coronavirus response
The Sanders’s campaign has just issued the following statement via campaign manager Faiz Shakir:

The next primary contest is at least three weeks away. Sen. Sanders is going to be having conversations with his supporters to assess his campaign. In the immediate term, however, he is focused on the government response to the coronavirus outbreak and ensuring that we take care of working people the most vulnerable

xp yes it always is

not sure how "Bernie gtfo" is going to facilitate a come-to-jesus moment

Maybe if we had a different candidate? But that last debate was Biden dismisisng systemic issues and root causes because "we have to address the virus first!" He was actually leveraging this crisis to avoid the underlying/exacerbating issues.

Why Bernie should abandon his post just when his own messaging is most relevant, and the evidence of this system's failing most on display, is beyond me. He's not hurting the party, he's helping the country.

But the voters so far have disagreed.

how dare he let people vote for him, when some other people have not voted for him

Damn didn't know ppl were writing in "bernie is hurting the country" on their ballots

Somewhat similar to when people were pushing Warren to drop out prematurely and endorse. Votes surely have to be earned

yell at boomers, yell at MSNBC et al, they deserve it and worse, but Alfred otm

Damn didn't know ppl were writing in "bernie is hurting the country" on their ballots

― brechtian social distancing (Simon H.), Wednesday, March 18, 2020 10:07 AM (one minute ago) bookmarkflaglink

no just on ilx

most ILXors aren't centrists, they just parrot their "cw"

ha I think that's actually most Dems nationally

"Hillary has supported a lot of shit, but she's 'qualified'"

turn off the fucking TVs

which brand of accelerationism is cooler:

Trump getting re-elected in 2020?
or
Biden grand-bargaining entitlement cuts, all for a shit-eating photo op and some media hand jobs, and then Democrats getting absolutely reamed in 2022 and 2024 by a GOP attacking them from the Left?

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There's not much to say about the Democratic primary at this point. One thing I'd point out, though, is that the schedule has evolved in ways that may encourage Sanders to stay in the race, even though he is no longer competitive for the nomination

— Nate Cohn (@Nate_Cohn) March 18, 2020

most ILXors aren't centrists, they just parrot their "cw"

and you post unread Dennis Perrin tweets. it's a shitty world.

DP > MSNBC, and I don't agree with him all the time

https://www.vice.com/amp/en_us/article/pkew3b/bernie-sanders-should-stay-in-the-presidential-race-even-though-he-cant-win?

Loving the shift from "Warren should drop out because she doesn't have a chance" to "Sanders should not drop out because reasons"

Sanders has a concrete offer, unlike Warren.

lmao

If Sanders is unlikely to win many more of the remaining states, I do think he should drop out. I thought, and think, he was right to stay in in 2016 since he was winning more states at this point, putting him in a good position to shape the platform at the convention (also to siphon off votes from Clinton and enable a Russian takeover obv).

Loving the shift from "Warren should drop out because she doesn't have a chance" to "Sanders should not drop out because reasons"

Two- and three-person races require different calculations!

Specifically when there are clear shared ideological goals for two of the three.

Sanders has a concrete offer, unlike Warren.

This is literally the dumbest thing written on this thread so far.