2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

ha that too

it might be easier to push the party left when you're not highlighting how unpopular your message is w/ real voters

More people in Florida turned out to vote today than in 2016. https://t.co/GaBBkqsbCp

— Samuel Sinyangwe (@samswey) March 18, 2020

all of this seems so remote to me at the moment

Have stopped worrying/caring about this whole situation.

xxp his message is popular w/ real voters, it's evidently *him* that's not

Looks like Marie Newman finally took out Dan Lipinski from the (relative) left.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/illinois-rep-lipinski-trails-insurgent-in-high-profile-democratic-primary-rematch/2020/03/17/6be4fdae-6863-11ea-9923-57073adce27c_story.html

Rep. Daniel Lipinski (D-Ill.), one of the last antiabortion Democrats in Congress, trailed his more liberal challenger, Marie Newman, in early primary returns Tuesday.
The race has been closely watched as a test of whether a socially conservative Democrat could maintain support among the party’s base voters in a solid blue seat.
While Lipinski won support from trade unions and some business groups in his bid for a ninth term, key national advocacy groups and liberal activist networks coalesced behind Newman as a better match for a district that preferred Hillary Clinton in the 2016 presidential race by 15 percentage points over Donald Trump.
With 84 percent of precincts reporting, Newman held a roughly 2,600-vote lead — about three percentage points.

his message is popular with real voters, the party is desperately shouting at voters that he can't get through so they shouldn't vote for him

his message is popular w/ real voters, it's evidently *him* that's not

line I hear a lot is "he's got good ideas, but he's so angry and negative all the time and we already have a guy like that in the White House" and it's like...dude, have you not seen Joe utterly lose his mind every time a voter challenges him in the slightest

"Joe utterly lose his mind every time a voter challenges him in the slightest" does not feel threatening and is the aspect of him I like the most

Currently in a poorly ventilated basement of the Gage Park early vote site, the second largest Latino district in Illinois. The current wait time here is just over an hour. Folks have already started to leave saying they aren’t willing to risk their health. #IllinoisPrimary pic.twitter.com/jAxoI6mkcG

— Abshir Omar (@AbshirDSM) March 17, 2020

At the Thurgood Marshall Public Library a predominately black senior population is waiting on average 2 hrs to vote in crowded rooms. This is not safe! #COVID19 #IllinoisPrimary pic.twitter.com/q4Fav9h1nW

— Abshir Omar (@AbshirDSM) March 17, 2020

More people in Florida turned out to vote today than in 2016.

I seriously don't know whether to be cheered by or pissed about this

Jesus Christ. If this were a Latin American election we'd be drafting plans for a coup already https://t.co/pilWUDeVFQ pic.twitter.com/iyW3JValLp

— Meagan Day (@meaganmday) March 17, 2020

Tom Perez would like people to vote for Biden, and then die.

DNC Chair Tom Perez et al., however, are threatening to sanction those postponing states with reductions in their delegates awarded—by up to 50 percent of their previously allotted delegate totals. That’s if primaries are delayed past June 9.

In the meanwhile, mass in-person voting directly contradicts the Centers for Disease Control (CDC) recently-provided guidance on large and community gatherings.

3/16/20 UPDATE: During the next 15 days, all U.S. events of 10+ people should be cancelled or held virtually.

Dominic Cummings, unelected sociopath and dessicated Lex Luthor, had modelled the UK's response on the curve flattening after 250,000 deaths, before changing policy slightly.

Biden campaign memo today:

“...with early vote and vote by mail, overall turnout will be roughly on pace for 2016 in Arizona and Florida and roughly on pace for 2018 in Illinois. We held elections during the Civil War, the 1918 flu pandemic, and World War II. We are confident that we can meet that same challenge today and continue to uphold the core functions and values of our democracy.”

Joe Biden would prefer 675,000 people die of lung failure in a few weeks than not vote for him.

non-zero chance he'll get it himself so

🤞

I hate him

Great news re: Newman over Lipinski!

amazing how the primary took place about 10 years ago

yeah, all that voter-meeting and hand-shaking he's been doing at the polling places is really exposing Joe to contagion

I mean he is a human being living in America rn so unless he's wearing a full body condom

Full body condom stock just went straight up

Please give me $5

your 'ideas' are really unpopular with non-troglodyte-centrist jellyfish, iatee

xp Katherine time has mutated into something i no longer understand. Remember the impeachment trial? That was 25 years ago this coming Monday

Check out this line for a polling location in Chicago today.

This primary needed to be postponed.pic.twitter.com/bdbyTmBA9A

— Eric Blanc (@_ericblanc) March 17, 2020

I remember the before times...the peach trial made god angry, he got mad and and sent the sick

I remember when I was happy. then I blinked and ten years passed.

Wouldn't the easiest way to stop this primary be for Bernie to drop out?

he'll be out soon Fred:)

there's a ton to be gained by him staying in, esp. given the current crisis, he's got as good a platform as he'll ever have to highlight this system's failings and push the party left

― Webcam Du Bois (Hadrian VIII), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

OTM. Hopefully he'll stay to the very end. No more public rallies, primaries being delayed.

He cannot drop out.

yep. I cried at a slate post about a woman with lung cancer trying to get tested

— guy fieri 2020 campaign manager (@libbycwatson) March 17, 2020

So, let's assume primaries get delayed. Until when? Weeks? Months? If the Dems have no nominee, do we think Donald Trump won't take advantage of it?

I'm not being scornful. I don't know the answer. I do know that hacks like Meagan Day loooove looking for new reasons to hate Tom Perez and "the DNC."

the reasons we have are fine

we radicals do love our boogeymen, they are easier to love than the public

A Chapo Traphouse host making Brad Parscale happy this evening, ruling out Biden but leaving open the possibility of voting for Trump. pic.twitter.com/MFYgxcyXEK

— southpaw (@nycsouthpaw) March 18, 2020

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2020/03/the-democrats-big-gamble-on-joe-biden/608128/

"Democratic centrists read the internal politics of their party far better than the left did. But getting the politics right is not the same as getting the policy right, and the Democratic establishment ignores the forces that contributed to Sanders’s rise at its peril."

Yeah sorry no, pointing out that Biden technically has more blood on his hands than Trump (if for no other reason than time in public office) is not “leaving the open the possibility” for voting for Trump.

When the Chapo guys start telling their listeners to go out and vote for Trump to destroy the Democratic Party and own the libs — which hey, could happen— then they tweeter will have a point.

That said, Bernie needs to drop out now imo.

then this tweeter*

Biden does not have more blood on his hands than Trump and it is straight up insane to claim so.

sorry bud, you’re just wrong

“If you don't show them you're capable of not voting for them they don't have to listen to you," says TV commentator Lawrence O'Donnell, who spent seven years as a Democratic chief of staff on Capitol Hill. "I didn't listen or have to listen to anything on the left while I was working in the Democratic Party--because the left had nowhere to go."


it’s basically this or worse until we die.

Fred Donald Trump has been president for a little more than 3 years, what are you talking about

I just don't get that argument. Biden has never had the power Trump has, and Trump has been a murderous president. He has drone bombed, he has sent refugees to their deaths, his carelessness has caused extreme suffering in Puerto Rico, and might plausibly kill hundreds of thousands in the US before this pandemic is done.

He's murderous, yes, his actions w/r/t Kurds alone are enough and yeah I fear there is much, much more to come

blood on one's hands usually = complicity, and Bidy has been givin an assist to war crimes for several decades

bidy givin

Biden was a member of an elite 100 member institution since 1973 and VP for 8 and has his thumbprints all over the worst things this country did during those 43 years. Period.

'given an assist' vs being the main driver. No, it's not the same. I think it's dumb to look at it that way, sorry.

Plenty of arguments to abstain.