2008 Primaries Thread 3: The Rejecting and Denouncening

Looks like Joe Pesci in JFK.

We're through the looking glass here people

man that movie is so awesome and lolz at the same time

We're through the looking glass here people

If there were an Oliver Stone doll, I imagine this is what it would say.

man that movie is so awesome and lolz at the same time

-- Shakey Mo Collier, Wednesday, March 26, 2008 12:18 PM (3 hours ago) Bookmark Link

where is Gear thread?

god, I love that thread.

A Thread about the film JFK

This is bullshit, right? http://www.slate.com/id/2175496/

I mean, no fucking way Democrats are this stupid. Really? McCain over the guy/gal who shares 99% of the same platforms as your own choice? Is this like being a Philly fan at the Superbowl - you'll root for the Patriots because the Giants are in your own division?

(In case you don't want to link-follow: "Twenty-eight percent of current Hillary Clinton supporters say they would vote for John McCain over Barack Obama in the general election. Nineteen percent of Obama supporters would vote for McCain over Clinton.")

neither bullshit nor a new link.

Ah, my bad. I missed that conversation earlier on the thread (moves too quickly to read every post).

Man, people sure take a long time to notice stuff. Wake up sheeple!

"Some top Democrats are increasingly worried that the Clintons’ divide-and-conquer strategy is nihilistic: Hillary or no democrat."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/03/26/opinion/26dowd.html?_r=1&pagewanted=print&oref=slogin

i hate it when people say sheeple

sorry :-(

lol its not you man

its me

to me the term suggests a degree of condescension, but i'm sure you didn't intend that at all and i didn't mean to suggest you did.

i'm thinking that the Bosnia fib isn't going away, someone photoshop hil's head onto dukakis' body in the picture where he's in that tank

Hillary's not getting Dukakisised -- cast as a vaguely alien, strange person (that's Obama's role) -- she's getting Gored -- cast as a robotic serial exaggerator with overweening ambition. Whether you agree with that or not, and regardless of how much truth you think those caricatures have in them, they ARE the group stories being told. It's important for us to understand these stories and understand that they are the framework inside which the eventual Democratic nominee will struggle to operate.

"clumsy, transparent attempt to gain militaristic credibility backfires and makes the candidate look like a jerk" was the basis of my dukakis comparison. but i think you're right about the gore bit, too.

hillary really over thought her strategy and ran on what obama is not instead of what she is

she really does not have a lot of presidential type experience - it stands to reason that she was caught trying to fabricate some

its kinda funny cause theres really nothing that can prepare you to be president

tracer, what's the difference between being 'cast as a robotic serial exaggerator' and having your exaggerations pointed out by the press? srs q

tracer is totally right

lol, milking this for everything it's worth:

Excerpts from Senator Clinton's remarks in the North Carolina capital:

"Sometimes the phone rings at 3a.m. in the White House and it’s an economic crisis. And we need a president who is ready and willing to answer that call.

lol everything was just humming along and then, boom, 3am, recession!

bloomberg introducing obama today in NYC -- of what significance is this?

he's getting some tonight

I guess it would be an upset if Obama snagged Bloomie's endorsement over the home-state Senator.

Treasury Sec'y more fun than Albany

yah, albany: total downer.

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2008/03/27/2008-03-27_hillary_clintons_wealthy_pals_warn_nancy.html

Hillary Clinton's megabucks donors picked a fight with House Speaker Nancy Pelosi Wednesday, pitting the most famous woman in politics against the most powerful.

Angered that Pelosi wants Democratic insiders to follow the will of voters when they cast their own "superdelegate" votes in the nomination race, 20 of Clinton's top fund-raisers issued a veiled threat to Pelosi and warned her to change her tune.

"We have been strong supporters of the [Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee]," they wrote, referring to the House fund-raising arm overseen by Pelosi. "We therefore urge you to clarify your position on superdelegates and reflect in your comments a more open view."

Sources said Pelosi was infuriated by the implied threat the donors would quit giving cash to the committee.

OH NOES

Are Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton and Elton John breaking U.S. laws by allowing the British pop singer, a foreign national, to raise hundreds of thousands of dollars for Mrs. Clinton's presidential campaign by performing a concert on her behalf?

That's the question Inside the Beltway put to the Federal Election Commission (FEC) yesterday, which does not rule out the possibility.

http://www.washingtontimes.com/article/20080327/NATION02/615066787

yea, funny thing about that letter to pelosi is that they also stressed this: "Super-delegates, like all delegates, have an obligation to make an informed, individual decision about whom to support and who would be the party’s strongest nominee."

this has been coming a lot from clinton people (and hillary herself) in the past few days. though it's been pointed out that pledged delegates are usually the candidates' most fervent supporters, but still. there's a reason they keep mentioning it.

but that letter was total bullshit, the whole "let's wait and see what the voters have to say" line. sure, let's wait and see what the voters have to say and when obama comes out at the end with more votes and more delegates, then it's time to overturn the voters by getting supers to go hillary, sure.

if it wasn't clear, i wanted to emphasize the like all delegates in "Super-delegates, like all delegates, have an obligation to make an informed, individual decision about whom to support and who would be the party’s strongest nominee."

Sources said Pelosi was infuriated by the implied threat the donors would quit giving cash to the committee.

lol theres a reason why this lady is speaker of the house - step yr game up fools

i guess she responded by releasing this statement, not really budging:

“Speaker Pelosi is confident that superdelegates will choose between Senators Clinton or Obama -- our two strong candidates -- before the convention in August. That choice will be based on many considerations, including respecting the decisions of millions of Americans who have voted in primaries and participated in caucuses. The Speaker believes it would do great harm to the Democratic Party if superdelegates are perceived to overturn the will of the voters. This has been her position throughout this primary season, regardless of who was ahead at any particular point in delegates or votes.”

gff, I'm agnostic about whether Clinton really is a robotic serial exaggerator hell-bent on power at any cost. I just don't know. (Given the media's record on these kinds of "character" assessments I think that's a reasonable position -- maybe the ONLY reasonable position). What IS possible to know, though, is what kinds of stories the media prefers to tell about the major candidates. The two (fictional) personas I mentioned above -- the Dukakis persona and the Gore persona -- have been used to mock, belittle and destroy national Democratic hopefuls for years.

http://i29.tinypic.com/2cg1mh0.jpg

Wuv.

any concern about my grandmother not voting for Obama has been assuaged, apparently

All this Democrat attacking & McCain forgiving (that Iran Al Qaeda thing) in the mainstream media - I thought The Press was supposed to be a bunch of lefty liberal commies who were on the side of the Demz? (Or is that only when they discover some new crime against humanity the Bush government has perpetrated?)

"Bloomberg wanted to meet where there was a lot of people. I showed up fifteen minutes early. Bloomberg was already there with a seat facing the door and near a window where he could see who pulled up."

wow if bloomie were to actually wrangle a vp nod from all his faux water-testing media-grandstanding well then play on player

http://www.drudgesiren.com/siren.gif

any concern about my grandmother not voting for Obama has been assuaged, apparently

-- gabbneb, Thursday, 27 March 2008 15:14 (25 seconds ago) Bookmark Link

i really don't see obama picking bloomberg.

haha, yes i post only the important stuff, Ed

Some kind of bloomberg announcement would help shift the conversation back to the New politics, bi-partisan, work with anyone to get the job done schtick that Obama started this year with. I don't think it'll be a veep announce though.

agreed, bloomberg doesn't have much chance for the VP nod but an endorsement could definitely boost obama's cred on economic issues as far as public perception goes

yea definitely

I think that Obama-Bloomberg would be an interesting ticket. Bloomie would add to the independent-appeal, which would be sorely needed against McCain.

yah veep sounds like a stretch but adding bloomie to his team would help build credibility w/what will be the prime issue of the g.e.

...not sleeping with hookers?