bojo is king, brexit is on, stuff is fvcked, tomorrow starts here -- new govt new thread new battle

Is going for a run or a walk in the park OK if you don't get too close to people?

Jogging is reportedly fine, as long as you're not doing it in groups.

social distancing/shielding favouring all those things that are the ills of modern living - cars, gated communities, amazon, food in plastic packaging, the wealthy, lack of community, social media instead of talking to people irl, isolation

Matt, this article has solid advice

https://medium.com/@ariadnelabs/social-distancing-this-is-not-a-snow-day-ac21d7fa78b4

Exercise, take walks/runs outside, and stay connected through phone, video, and other social media. But when you go outside, do your best to maintain at least six feet between you and non-family members. If you have kids, try not to use public facilities like playground structures, as coronavirus can live on plastic and metal for up to nine days, and these structures aren’t getting regularly cleaned.
Going outside will be important during these strange times, and the weather is improving. Go outside every day if you are able, but stay physically away from people outside your family or roommates. If you have kids, try playing a family soccer game instead of having your kids play with other kids, since sports often mean direct physical contact with others.

Universal Basic Income is the only solution to the financial problems that a lot of people are going to be facing, right? The alternative is a gigantic and destabilising rise in consumer and business debt or widespread bankruptcies and closures.

spain has banned road cycling - assume this is due to the chances of cyclists coming off and injuring themselves, increasing strain on health service

Today we are advising people against all unnecessary social contact with others and all unnecessary travel.

We need people to start working from home if they possibly can.

We should steer clear of pubs, clubs, cinemas and restaurants.

We should only use the NHS when we really need to.

This advice is directed at everyone, but it’s especially important for the over 70s, for pregnant women and for those with some health conditions.

It’s especially true of London, which the evidence suggests is several weeks ahead of the rest of the country.

Number none’s is better - where is it from?

Sorry see it

Is going for a run or a walk in the park OK if you don't get too close to people?

they did explicitly say in the presser that those who are shielding themselves should stay inside *except for taking exercise*. so i think if you need to go for a run, walk the dog, or ride your bike then you're golden. you might need to think of how you safely leave your flat if you have a shared entrance / lift etc. maybe wear disposable dog poo bags on your hands or is that going too far?

redundant post cos xps plz delete

spain has banned road cycling

running too!

From a listener: No running in Spain from today. Police stopping individual runners out in the countryside this morning. Only warnings in our part of the world today, but as from tomorrow it will be 100 euros (up to 600,000 euros!) and possibly a year in jail. We're housebound!

— Ian Corless (@Talkultra) March 15, 2020

the government certainly can't have all the millions of newly unemployed exposed to the Universal Credit shitshow or overwhelming the system and making it an even bigger shitshow. UBI might even have to really happen, not what you'd expect to be thinking about from this right-wing shower of shit, but they might just end up being the most command economy govt since the 40's!

Jogging is reportedly fine, as long as you're not doing it in groups.

― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 16 March 2020 19:00 (eighteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

sorry, ukpol thread cancelled Jogging en masse at the culmination of the 2019 tracks rollout

oh for goodness sake keep that virus off this thread pls!

doctor shen prescribed me i-so-laaaaa-tion

ukpol thread cancelled Jogging en masse

It was the right call is what I'm saying.

when you go outside, do your best to maintain at least six feet between you and non-family members

"According to the 2011 census, Islington has the highest population density of local authorities in England and Wales—13,875 people per square kilometre."

my boss, who is not the brightest, thinks things as they are are 'unsustainable' as if this were reason alone for it to end soon. I'm consistently amazed by what seems to me a heightened sense in the english consciousness that things can never really change. Its because almost nobody alive has lived through massive change in the fortunes of this country. I suspect people who had lived through war in their country, have a very different perspective on how this might go, just as it would have been ridiculous to think, as the bombs started falling, "this is unsustainable."

xp have you noticed how well islington has been doing compared to other boroughs though!

... it's 8 people per sq km in the Highlands btw.

This thread is wild. Things are going to change enormously.

The team whose modelling estimates advised Cobra are presenting their modelling. They modelled controlled spread and realised 250,000 would die. Now advise stronger intervention to suppress - but no idea how long it will need to be in place. #coronavirusuk pic.twitter.com/sLM4cNvMwi

— Tom Whipple (@whippletom) March 16, 2020

... 5 in Caithness & Sutherland!

"We were expecting herd immunity to build. We now realise it’s not possible to cope with that. " - Prof Azra Ghani

— Tom Whipple (@whippletom) March 16, 2020

brilliant

Read the source in that thread as Niall Ferguson initially and wondered who we were invading next to keep the nation prosperous

Also yeah fucking galaxy brain shitheads the lot of them

my boss, who is not the brightest, thinks things as they are are 'unsustainable' as if this were reason alone for it to end soon. I'm consistently amazed by what seems to me a heightened sense in the english consciousness that things can never really change. Its because almost nobody alive has lived through massive change in the fortunes of this country. I suspect people who had lived through war in their country, have a very different perspective on how this might go, just as it would have been ridiculous to think, as the bombs started falling, "this is unsustainable."

― plax (ico), Monday, 16 March 2020 19:35 bookmarkflaglink

this is pretty much what i've been thinking as well. a lot of that generation lived through a considerable increase in prosperity, many without really seeing it as such. this seems to apply as much to the millennium bug (a problem that needed resolving, where not dealing with it would be bad) as it does to climate change (the beginning of a new era, rather than say, a temporary deviation in affairs), the GFC and austerity (a significant generational gap in wealth) and the covid pandemic. there isn't a sense of how their own experience is a poor guide to thinking about these problems.

as usual i base all boomer observations on my mum.

plax and fizzles (always) otm

aye, two very fine posters there

gas, electricity and water bills are to be suspended – as are rents – and the state will guarantee companies’ loans with a €300bn package.

coming to a blighty near you soon hopefully

The French know a thing or two about riots

Still ingesting that thread. So the original option 1 was for a burn to herd immunity after all, at the cost of 250k dead, but they have turned away because the NHS can’t cope with even that.

So now, instead, we have perpetual lockdowns until a vaccine hopefully turns up, in about 18 months? Wow.

That's totally gonna work

Colour me shocked that allowing this to spread unhindered turned out to be a bad thing.

unemployment will be what, >70%?

tories proved to be total fucking chancers in the space of about 3 days.

xp no wait, not that bad, brain gone awol. people who have had it will be able to carry on. will we have two tiers of society, survivors and those yet to catch it?

so with the social restrictions it'll be like holding in a fart. you just keep it in, keep it in, and when the time is right you relax a little and then if somebody walks by WHOOMP back to the holding.

Benidorm + Coronavirus = Managerial mayhem!

As Spain becomes the fourth most infected nation in the world… Some Brits are doing their best to avoid virus precautions and carry on with their holiday as normal. pic.twitter.com/9r79Iz3LjZ

— RT UK (@RTUKnews) March 16, 2020

great bunch of lads (but not one bit worse than some of the twats i know who spent the weekend on a skiing holiday in the alps)

Requisiotining property is Bolshevism. Corbyn is a wannabe Lenin

Today:

and all of the sudden Housing for All was possible... https://t.co/NwS4AEdOtb

— gal debored (@__acadame) March 15, 2020

great bunch of lads (but not one bit worse than some of the twats i know who spent the weekend on a skiing holiday in the alps)

― ymo sumac (NickB), Monday, 16 March 2020 20:51 bookmarkflaglink

these fucking people. bloke i know tried to go skiing in the alps at the weekend and even his wife thought he was being a dickhead. he got there, tried to go to the skiing village straight away, got a call from the hotel saying he had 15 minutes to get out of there before they closed the village, had to go back through a roadblock, and then drive back via germany. one of our lawyers at work tried to go to chamonix and the flight got turned back just six minutes from landing. bellend.

Never have I wanted to see a police baton charge more than in that video

attn music fans:

Fucking awesome. You can watch live gigs from @Cafeoto, right here, right now. Crystabel Riley/Seymour Wright/Ute Kanngiesser nphttps://t.co/eDcRjbkJ8u

— derek walmsley (@derekwalmsley) March 16, 2020

From an old friend in Berlin, something to lighten the tone

Hamsterkäufe

USA: Medikamente und Waffen

Italien: Zigaretten und Grappa

Frankreich: Kondome und Rotwein

Holland: Haschisch und Käse

Schottland: Whisky

Deutschland: Klopapier und Mehl

Ich bin im falschen Land!!

Government update re pre-exsiting medical conditions and social distancing

We are advising those who are at increased risk of severe illness from coronavirus (COVID-19) to be particularly stringent in following social distancing measures.

This group includes those who are:

aged 70 or older (regardless of medical conditions)
under 70 with an underlying health condition listed below (ie anyone instructed to get a flu jab as an adult each year on medical grounds):
chronic (long-term) respiratory diseases, such as asthma, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD), emphysema or bronchitis
chronic heart disease, such as heart failure
chronic kidney disease
chronic liver disease, such as hepatitis
chronic neurological conditions, such as Parkinson’s disease, motor neurone disease, multiple sclerosis (MS), a learning disability or cerebral palsy
diabetes
problems with your spleen – for example, sickle cell disease or if you have had your spleen removed
a weakened immune system as the result of conditions such as HIV and AIDS, or medicines such as steroid tablets or chemotherapy
being seriously overweight (a BMI of 40 or above)
those who are pregnant

Note: there are some clinical conditions which put people at even higher risk of severe illness from COVID-19. If you are in this category, next week the NHS in England will directly contact you with advice the more stringent measures you should take in order to keep yourself and others safe. For now, you should rigorously follow the social distancing advice in full, outlined below.

People falling into this group are those who may be at particular risk due to complex health problems such as:

People who have received an organ transplant and remain on ongoing immunosuppression medication
People with cancer who are undergoing active chemotherapy or radiotherapy
People with cancers of the blood or bone marrow such as leukaemia who are at any stage of treatment
People with severe chest conditions such as cystic fibrosis or severe asthma (requiring hospital admissions or courses of steroid tablets)
People with severe diseases of body systems, such as severe kidney disease (dialysis)

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/covid-19-guidance-on-social-distancing-and-for-vulnerable-people/guidance-on-social-distancing-for-everyone-in-the-uk-and-protecting-older-people-and-vulnerable-adults

The student case in St. Andrews brought it back from skiing in Switzerland.

You had a budget last week.

From @bbclaurak: It’s expected that the government will announce significant additional financial measures tomorrow to help support the economy during the corona virus crisis.

The Chancellor, Rishi Sunak, is likely to appear at the daily Downing Street press briefing.

— Chris Mason (@ChrisMasonBBC) March 16, 2020

to help support the economy, which is different to supporting people

Thanks for that cafe Oto thing it just sparked an thought. I’m sitting in my local cafe chatting to Tina who makes the weekday coffees. She’s a drummer wondering how she’s going to make rent now all her gigs have dried up. We now cooking up an idea about how we can use the cafe space to livestream gigs and pass the (virtual) hat around.

NV - yup. Putting it down as the kind of thing Tories can't communicate, but given what I am seeing elsewhere they better do a substantial amount for actual ppl.

https://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/cbe10532a983c95c91672190e573076292b7a3bc/0_0_1170_780/master/1170.jpg