2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

Biden says, with apparent sincerity, that he'd support and urge his followers to support the Democratic candidate. Were he not the nominee, Sanders said he would do "everything humanly possible" to defeat the evil Donald Trump. That's NOT the same as Biden affirming that he'd support and urge his followers to support the Democratic candidate.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Sunday, March 15, 2020 8:02 PM (eleven minutes ago)

i don't understand your point, the latter sounds stronger than the former, and in any case what sanders can guarantee he'll do is more certain than what joe can promise others will do on his urging

Number one.

Number two.

That’s number one.

That’s number two.

i don't understand your point, the latter sounds stronger than the former, and in any case what sanders can guarantee he'll do is more certain than what joe can promise others will do on his urging

― j., Sunday, March 15, 2020 9:15 PM (

The latter sounds like he's being a political fussbudget by not committing to the eventual nominee, it's not hard. The contrast is in plain English.

Whoa I thought my tv froze

same.

“No.

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Try to cut social security now Joe pic.twitter.com/rJxxsOWaeG

— Dave DuFour (@DaveDuFourNBA) March 16, 2020

alfred, i don't think there's much to be made of that. you could just as well say that believing in a magic set of words that will prove political loyalty is political theater played to enable tactical advantages over an outsider candidate. whatever.

These dudes are actually being amazingly civil given their differences.

I see Sanders' strategy: he's keeping true to what he said about questioning Sanders instead of attacking him. Now he's getting him on the record about to what degree he might compromise on a woman's right to choose. Sanders isn't aggressive either: sorrow not anger.

alfred, i don't think there's much to be made of that. you could just as well say that believing in a magic set of words that will prove political loyalty is political theater played to enable tactical advantages over an outsider candidate. whatever.

We on ILX don't believe or attend political theater. The fans of politicians do.

MSNBC?

Meth?

There’s still a primaries campaign?

flat out dick taters

no we all died five minutes ago xpost

weirdly we're still allowed to post here

biden's fucking smile

j. OTM
xp Hadrian also OTM

Biden’s trying to Cheshire Cat his way to the nomination

If I lose this thing, if Joe wins, Joe, I will be there for you.

Magical enough?

he needs to say the words, that's how the game is played by those who insist this is not a game but real

Much more combative than I expected: I thought they'd both focus 95% of their time on Trump, but most of it was instead on each other.

I understand how disappointing it will be to see Biden nominated if you're passionately for Sanders. It's not my country, but I'd be okay with either one (I've been having very serious doubts as to whether Biden is up to even being in this, and he alleviated some of that--not all): Sanders to take on health care and income inequality and everything else he talks about (how much progress he would make would depend entirely on the other two bodies), Biden as a placeholder until AOC or whomever.

Ilia Calderón, Univision's moderator, looks a lot like Eartha Kitt.

I watched "Shaun of the Dead" with my kids instead of the debate, which felt more relevant to current events. From a scan of this thread, it sounds like probably nobody said or did anything likely to significantly change the race. Is that accurate?

pretty much

bernie referred to coronavirus as "ebola" three times in a row, within the same answer, before catching himself. that alone is enough to distract biden supporters with proof of sanders' senility. biden used the "Number One ______, Number Two _____" device about a dozen times tonight, enough to distract me as possible evidence of his senility.

i wanted to see sanders put pressure on biden to move to the left. i'm not sure that he successfully did that during this debate. but i did hear biden say that he now supported free public college tuition - i'm not sure if that's old news or not, but it was news to me.

i just felt sad during this debate.

(sorry about that last sentence, just being honest. i know it's not helpful)

Means tested college tuition

i just felt sad during this debate.

I would have too. I was already sad about the state of this race before the pandemic, and watching the federal disaster of that unfold has really really made me wish there was a really strong, confidence-inspiring alternative being offered up and I just don’t feel that at all. I know either of them would be miles better than where we are and would hopefully put good people in charge of federal agencies and would listen to science etc. Still. Neither of them are the kind of person where I think, “Oh yeah, I would definitely put him in charge of the world’s most powerful bureaucracy.”

enough to distract biden supporters with proof of sanders' senility
enough to distract me as possible evidence of his senility

You always manage to make me laugh, KM.

Insanity:

https://amp.miamiherald.com/news/politics-government/article241162246.html?

“We are definitely voting,” Gov. Ron DeSantis said Friday. “They voted during the Civil War. We’re going to vote.”

gotta rush it in before Biden voters die / while Bernie voters are staying home to protect the olds

caught a bit of the debate; didn't seem likely to move the needle much. Biden seemed awake which was probably enough

My takeaway from debate: Sanders, when able to speak softly and without having to talk over Mayo Pete, sounds much more empathetic, smart and Presidential than Biden. However, for a win Bernie had a hope that Biden would have a Rubio or Rick Perry moment that crystallized people’s doubts about him. Didn’t happen. Race is over.

biden sounded much better than the recent talk about his cogency would suggest

honestly wondering about the non-zero chance that sanders, biden, or trump contracts the virus

Yeah, he did, which was depressing in a way - he didn't seem like he was forgetting or mixing up things; he was just lying and dodging his ass off and getting away with it.

which, to be fair, is very presidential

I feel like no one was paying attention at all

Least of all the candidates themselves.

life is divided into the horrible and the miserable etc

he was just lying and dodging his ass off and getting away with it.

Having not watched before 2016, has there ever been a time in the era of televised debates where moderators or broadcasters actually told the viewers when candidates were wildly lying?

um excuse me,it’s called “claiming without evidence”. And the modern way to handle it, as Bernie demonstrated last night, is to ask everyone to “go to the YouTube” to find the truth

I've heard that same audio excerpt but sanders, I believe, it taking it out of context

It is my recommendation that we postpone in-person voting until June 2, 2020. #COVID19 #COVID19OhioReady

— Governor Mike DeWine (@GovMikeDeWine) March 16, 2020

And the modern way to handle it, as Bernie demonstrated last night, is to ask everyone to “go to the YouTube” to find the truth

sorry, I'm still too busy going to Joe 30330

I guess primaries are happening. Anyway:

NEW Univision poll of Florida

All registered voters:

Biden - 63%
Sanders - 25%

Among Florida Latino voters:
Biden - 48%
Sanders - 40%

Latinos broken down...
Cubans
Sanders - 47%
Biden - 46%

Puerto Ricans
Biden - 53%
Sanders - 38%

— Laura Barrón-López (@lbarronlopez) March 16, 2020

Cubans
Sanders - 47%
Biden - 46%

idgi. is there some age split thing happening here?

lol at my Cubans:

In general elex matchup, Latinos go for Biden over Trump, per Univision...

Total Florida Latinos
Biden - 53%
Trump - 34%

Cubans
Trump - 59%
Biden - 30%

Puerto Ricans
Biden - 63%
Trump 21%

Other Latinos in state
Biden - 63%
Trump - 26%

Poll conducted March 6-12 pic.twitter.com/i8KUJpf7TU

— Laura Barrón-López (@lbarronlopez) March 16, 2020

So is that why they prefer Sanders in the Dem primary? Those who don't vote Republican anyway?

I think Sanders might overperform in areas or demographics where the total Democratic percentage of the electorate is smaller. He won a few very rural precincts in my county, which were places with very few Democratic primary voters.

i feel like i get the brainwormed cubans slightly more than the 21% of puerto ricans tbh, but i don’t even understand the brainwormers in my family so