2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

$100 says it’s called off

naw it won't be

Any move that even vaguely looks like canceling elections is going to be avoided at all costs.

I'm interested because it's actually moderator-less, right? is it just going to be the two of them slugging it out in an empty room? that will be insane

I had a proud moment earlier today when my wife watched Bernie give his statement on the virus and she (no Bernie fan) exclaimed "I miss people in charge who talk like this!" It may well have been the first time she listened to him for any length of time and realized he speaks like a measured, intelligent adult.

idk about moderator-less but certainly live audience-less

I'm suddenly quite a bit more interested in this weekend's debate

― bold caucasian eroticism (Simon H.), Thursday, March 12, 2020 8:33 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

yup. when I think of the 2.5 million homeless children in this country, or the 87 million people who are underinsured or uninsured, and then think about the people I see every day at work, or who live in my neighborhood — and I consider the extreme but necessary steps we will need to take, like closing schools and essentially allowing commerce to grind to a halt — I think I am a single-issue voter whose issue is basically “what would you be doing right now?”

^^^^^^^

Right now in Michigan, Bernie organizers are getting 100s of people signed up to provide housing, transport, food, etc to any student in need following #Covid_19 school closings. Hours after a disappointing MI election, we’re doing mutual aid work. #NotMeUs is more than a slogan.

— Jeff Sorensen (@jeffreysorensen) March 12, 2020

That is great

Between his post-Tuesday speech, his speech yesterday, and stuff like that, my feelings about Sanders have never been more positive.

This is pretty much always how they've used the email list etc in emergency situations.

So... does that make it less great?

Not at all! Just though it worth highlighting that he and his ppl have always made exceptionally helpful use of their network

As I have been saying since the nineties, a violent right-wing movement—a new fascist axis, if you will—is forming all over the world, united by principles of white supremacy, ethnic nationalism, sexism, and religious fundamentalism. Backed by certain billionaires and a few like-minded governments, Trump and what remains of the Republican party are part of this axis. They must be vigorously opposed, based on the same strategy that was successful in opposing fascism during World War II— a united front between liberals and the left.



That doesn't mean the left has to love the liberal elite. Women, people of color, immigrants, workers have gotten little joy from those who have governed us since the eighties, either the Democrats whom Bernie calls "the establishment" or the "moderate Republicans" now deserting the wreck of their party. Both supported the war in Iraq. Both are patriarchal and racist, each in its own style. Both suck up to the rich and are happy to see them get richer on our backs.



But the left is not strong enough to take on both fascists and neoliberal elites at the same time. We need to be able to work with liberals on things we can agree about, or we will lose.



The left was not strong enough to go it alone in the Thirties either. The Communist International tried for a while, in what is now called its Third Period, calling for a "united front from below." In practice, that meant it attacked the liberal parties that were competing for the allegiance of the working class, rather than focusing on the fascists. In Germany, for instance, their slogan in 1932 and 1933 was, "After Hitler, us!" But after Hitler, there was no us—the German left was dead, in exile, or in concentration camps. As Harold Meyerson wrote in 2016:



"In the last years of the Weimar Republic, the real menace to Germany, Thälmann [leader of the German communists] argued, wasn't the Nazis but the Communists' center-left, and more successful, rival for the backing of German workers: the Social Democrats. The SDs, he said, were actually "social fascists," never mind that they were a deeply democratic party without so much as a tinge of fascism in their theory and practice. But as the Communists' rival for the support of the German working class, the SDs became the chief target of the Communists' campaigns."



Remind you of anything?



After 1935, the Communist International reversed its policy and called for a popular front with everyone who opposed fascism. They have been rebuked for this ever since by Trotskyists and other "class against class" leftists who think any compromise with the bourgeoisie is a disgrace. But radicals need to be able to compromise on some things in order to get into a position to win anything major, as the united front did under Roosevelt.

https://www.meredithtax.org/single.php?id=230

At a rally in Ames on Jan. 25, Ocasio-Cortez delivered a speech in which she failed to mention Sanders’ name ― an omission that Fox News noticed and highlighted. She also encouraged those in attendance to tip off people about the presence of immigration enforcement authorities in their communities to help undocumented immigrants evade detention.

As Vanity Fair first reported in February, Shakir apparently communicated to Ocasio-Cortez his dissatisfaction over her remarks about alerting the presence of immigration authorities. While Sanders has sought to scrap and restructure the Immigration and Customs Enforcement agency in its current form, his campaign has been trying to avoid the impression that it was encouraging noncooperation with federal law as it exists, according to one source. (The Sanders campaign denied on Friday that Shakir ever spoke to Ocasio-Cortez about her immigration remarks.)

After that, Ocasio-Cortez ― already annoyed with the campaign’s Jan. 23 decision to publicize the endorsement of controversial podcast host Joe Rogan ― grew less interested in helping Sanders’ campaign, according to the source. After her last event in Iowa on Jan. 26, she did not return to the trail for Sanders until 16 days later, at the New Hampshire rally featuring The Strokes.

That's it, she's lost my vote. Green Swan Emoji.

It's gotta be tough to campaign around the country while also trying to serve yr constituents etc.

not to mention all the twitter dunking

Louisana primary postponed

Good! Now if they can just whittle it down to AZ only

red states postponing elections is not my favorite development, tbqh

i guess another argument for why the primaries in this country shouldn't drag on for fuckin months

Plain english. pic.twitter.com/qO5uXDFUHh

— Viev D. Voltairine (@Commie_sama) March 13, 2020

fucked up if true

is there anything subsantiating this?

only results I see are Facebook comments

red states postponing elections is not my favorite development, tbqh

I agree that it's worrisome but this is a Dem governor doing this, mind you

It's not percentage points. The difference in California was Biden went from 23% to 26,5% and Sanders went from 38% to 33,8%.

The exit polls run by the Washington Post in Texas (just to take an example) have Biden winning women by 6 points and Sanders winning men by 1, which sounds like a Biden lead of 2 or 3.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/politics/exit-polls-2020-super-tuesday-primary/

Final results have Biden up by 4.5%. So I'm not sure I see the evidence for this huge discrepancy that person is claiming.

xxpost not sure how the UN does the numbers but this interprets Biden getting 17% in the Vermont exit poll and 22% in the vote tally as a +26.1% discrepancy. Most people view a 5% difference between poll and vote as a margin of error

The site the numbers are coming from is called TDMS Research, and it's a blog run by a dude named Theodore de Macedo Soares.

It would probably be a good idea if we didn't do this

i'm very skeptical of that "analysis"

i guess i'm an old school media/journalism gatekeeper kind of person *ducks* but i don't trust a tweet with 331 likes from someone i've never heard of

The site the numbers are coming from is called TDMS Research, and it's a blog run by a dude named Theodore de Macedo Soares.

that's me sorry

one cool thing that journalists do is cite their source, for example

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I've consulted all over the world and have a 100% succes rate (33% in Denmark + 33% in the UK + 33% in the US)

It's a funny sounding foreign name can't be true

the dude said the same stuff about Trump v. Clinton election and 4 Senate races in 2018.

Theodore?

the internet is bad now

just the sheer volume of total uncorroborated, unsubstantiated bullshit passed around either in panic or in bad faith, it's mind-boggling

That twitter account has also credulously retweeted a bot account that is pushing the story that Cuba has developed a cure for the coronavirus

In summary thanks as always, alphabet

The site the numbers are coming from is called TDMS Research, and it's a blog run by a dude named Theodore de Macedo Soares.

― Frederik B, Friday, March 13, 2020 11:36 AM (fifteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

theo macedo? could produce a jazz record like nobody's business so I'll trust his stats

camarada abecedario loves a bit of disinformation

even the guy who first tweeted the data followed it with this

NOTE: I did not run these numbers myself, so I am not speaking to their validity. My goal with this tweet is to raise awareness so others run the numbers as well. MSM would never cover this. Similar things happened in 2016. We need more verification.

— Josh Reif 🔥 (@Josh_Reif) March 9, 2020

*bursts through the door, out of breath*

did you all hear that the election was totally rigged for biden? some guy did some major analysis and there are numbers to back it up. the UN agrees too, it's fucked up

MSM would never cover this

https://heavy.com/news/2016/11/2016-exit-polls-did-hillaty-clinton-win-presidential-election-voter-fraud-donald-trump-lose-rigged/

Using exit poll totals compiled by election researcher Theodore de Macedo Soares, seen in the table below on this page as well as available at this link, compared to an ongoing tally of raw votes totals posted at this link by Dave Wasserman of Cook Political Report, here is the discrepancy that has caused the suspicions of what Trump himself would call a “rigged election.”

Oliver Stone needs to make a funky film about, with Danny De Vito and Susan Sarandon. Ilxors will hate it.