2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

There's no way in hell the debate turns this around. Sorry. Florida votes next Tuesday, and unless Biden says 'I actually agree with you (and Obama) on Castro' the delegate lead is going to widen.

I don't see this turning round either, Fred's man looks home and dry. Bernie saying "Joe absolutely beats Trump" is weird messaging. Not sure what they do about the debate, I assume just go through with it anyway and bank on it not having too much of an effect

Can we stop this thing that I should be pro-Biden? There's already posters who have gone into a rage spiral because they believed it

you should try being less of a concern troll, then

Sorry Fred! Thread is so fast moving miss a lot of posts. If a mod wants to delete

i can almost envision a world where both sides handle this intelligently, that Bernie conveys the importance of youth turnout in the general and presses Biden on at least being open to more progressive policy stances as a way to get those voters into the fold, and Biden for his part at least signals a willingness to entertain those views.

of course the problem is that this doesn't serve the interests of a media that thrives on conflict or candidate surrogates on both sides who don't seem inclined to set their egos aside (and honestly, Biden very well might not be able to set his aside, though I think Bernie can and seems to already be starting down that path).

i can almost envision a world where both sides handle this intelligently

I'll have what she's having.

as a way to get those voters into the fold

they won't ever come into the fold. they don't vote. every referendum, every national election, in every country, they don't vote.

Sadly otm (almost every otm is sad these days).

TBF, voting is a v v complex task and it's unfair to expect it of those whose cognition and/or motor skills aren't up to the challenge.

they won't ever come into the fold. they don't vote. every referendum, every national election, in every country, they don't vote.

and (I feel this is important to keep reiterating) they *especially* are not motivated to turn out by policy. They might turn out for a rock star celebrity that makes it "cool" to vote (cf. Obama) but even there it's rare and they don't do it in big enough margins to swing entire elections.

(citation needed)

I am probably in the 99th percentile of interest in and attention to politics, and I have been my whole life, and I didn't vote in non-presidential elections when I was in college either. I can't explain it. It just ... was a thing the people around me rarely did or talked about doing. I'm honestly not sure what could change it.

(citation needed)

every US presidential election ever

I super excited about voting as soon as I turned 18 because of rock the vote and rem.

I was excited because of how annoying it was to follow elections in high school and not be allowed to vote in them

my oldest daughter just voted for the first time (she's 19); she was excited to vote for the queer former sex worker for the house against the more established dem who lost to the rethug last time by 2000 votes.

I was excited to vote because I wanted to write-in my dad for President, which I did in 1992 because I wan't into either Bush or Clinton.

didn't know Perot was your dad

92 was my first too; I volunteered for the Clinton admin in south Texas and got assigned to dress up in masks and dark clothes to tear down GOP signs on street corners the night before the election. then free Taco Cabana at the big party downtown that night thrown by the local dems. then we went to a gas station and bought the Penthouse with Gennifer Flowers.

#livingthedream

I guess I should have specified "Bernie's coalition" rather than "the youths." I've definitely seen states where Sanders has outperformed Biden not just in the 18-29 bracket but all the way up to 45 year-olds. obviously Biden isn't winning an election if he only gets boomers to turn out.

Bernie Sanders wins the expat primary by large margins mostly down to public health care - we know it’s good.

huge push in mtl for bernie abroad spearheaded by some of my friends, i think they managed to turn some pretty impressive numbers

didn't know Perot was your dad

I'm not saying DJP is Lyndon LaRouche's kid but I definitely feel Lyndon LaRouche's kid would be on ILX

I super excited about voting as soon as I turned 18 because of rock the vote and rem.

I saw U2 at Veterans Stadium in September 92 and they had a hype man on their payroll who came out before the opening bands. He threw out red, white, and blue “Vote Baby!” pins and I got one, but lost it somewhere down the years.

I was super excited about voting as soon as (there was a election after) I turned 18 because I got to vote

I went to the polling place with my dad and he got mad at me for numbering every hundred or w/e boxes below the line instead of just letting a party choose what to do with my votes and going home again

aw, I just got my absentee ballot in my email. So sad.

The young probably don't have a lot of faith in the system in its ability to change. As opposed to older people who have paid into the system, have a much larger stake too.

Having said that I think participation among the young -- in terms of enthusiasm, activism, and so on -- is quite high. This generation is highly politicised and whether that goes into electoralism or elsewhere the energy is there. It's certainly not going into the system, as it's clearly not working.

You were all spared so many bad posts by my tempban

But the good news for me if Biden is the nominee is I don’t have to pay attention to the rest of the campaign because all of it will be stupid and the possible outcomes will be “quite bad” and “very very bad”. Let the boomers who like Biden get out the vote.

we've moved on from all that stuff since your ban, we're all gonna die

Actual voting can, and should, proceed with heavy emphasis on mailed ballots. To the extent that in-person polling is unavoidable, great attention should be paid to social distancing—keeping all citizens three feet apart from each other in line and inside the voting area. Get-out-the-vote campaigns—whether through door-knocking or canvassing shopping malls—should also entail proper social distancing. (The same is true of the U.S. Census, which is a vital component of future congressional mapping, and is set to commence on April 1.)

We are “in uncharted territory,” World Health Organization Director-General Tedros Adhanom Ghebreyesus warned on March 2nd. He’s right—but not only as concerns COVID-19, but also our entire political process. The United States has already struggled with cyberdisruption of its elections, trolls posting phony campaign material, and violent threats against journalists at political rallies. Now Americans face a virus that threatens to undermine their most sacred constitutional process. And the virus won’t wait for primary elections to proceed, conventions to gather, or November ballots to be cast, and it could well exploit those events, spreading as wildly in the United States as it did after Iran’s elections.

The United States can’t afford to follow the ayatollah’s example, holding national elections as its epidemic soars. The government can’t tell the people to avoid public gatherings, work from home, stay away from school, all the while holding gigantic political rallies and conventions. We must swiftly abandon the old way of garnering voters, and invent a new, less contagious one. Time is not on our side.

https://foreignpolicy.com/2020/03/11/cancel-us-president-primary-campaign-democrat-coronavirus/

xp: We were gonna die anyway, it's just gonna be a lot more phlegmy than we originally thought.

We must swiftly abandon the old way of garnering voters, and invent a new, less contagious one.

May I suggest...

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Viral marketing?

Youth turnout was up in Texas and Virginia.

https://66.media.tumblr.com/913e616f617ba5f6443013d2ee0f7859/be51063bb58070cd-cb/s1280x1920/adb66d326f78d39dd41574917baad3bcb7ba7987.png

Does that show youth up? Looks like 65+ up in TX and 45-64 up in VA.

Youth turnout is higher in 2020 but was swamped by the increase in older voter turnout

xp
Or, every category up, with youth the least up.

Old people turning out doesn't mean young people didn't turn out.

The raw numbers show a smaller increase.

Even more old people turning out doesn't mean that more young people didn't turn out.

this'll be fun

don't count on them, they will break your heart every time. if biden is most popular among the olds then he should be the nominee because the olds vote. it's that simple imo.

Last comment: Yes, more young people turned out. But no reason to crow, as they under-performed everyone else in the turnout contest.

I don't think whoever made the chart was crowing.

just would like to point out that young people are not necessarily less politically engaged or enthusiastic (probably the opposite), but they are on average poorer, less stably housed, have less flexibility in their work schedules, are more likely to have young kids in the house... election day should be a national holiday. at the very least access to early voting, voting by mail, other remote voting options should be robustly expanded

absolutely.

Young ppl are more likely to have young kids in the house? What age are we considering as “young” here?

average age of first baby in usa is 27, for working class mothers it’s 23