2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

Williamson endorsed Yang before Bernie. I think her principles are just doing what the Orbs instruct.

i think about this tweet a lot

What worries the left about Biden is not that he might lose to Trump, though they do worry that. The first order worry is that, as president, he'd just grumble "folks, we're better than this" as the GOP stole his lunch money, setting up a GOP comeback in 2024.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 27, 2019

but i wonder now if he's so doddery that the left could take his lunch money instead.

still haven't lost my taste for marianne williamson jokes, thanks for the lol on this bleak day karl

He's going to be kept isolated from "the left" just as he's being kept isolated from voters

i don't think that's necessarily true. he's moved left since 2008/2012/2016.

his platform right now doesn't go far enough for almost all the people on this thread, but it goes further than the one he was on in 2012 and the one hilary had in 2016. clearly the outside world has had an influence. he's not howard hughes.

That’s going to be the line for the next seven months but no one will actually believe it any more than Clinton’s “most progressive platform EVAR.”

You can’t evade your resume.

Is the guy who abandoned the Hyde Amendment eight months ago super invested in fighting against it?

Why would he need to fight against something already abandoned?

I think I've seen that empirically speaking, the policy promises that a campaign is running on is a better guide than earlier resume into what an elected politician will try and do.

The movement of white-collar suburbs away from the GOP in Trump era that was the single most powerful force in 2018 shows all signs of continuing in 2020. This is the trade Trump has imposed on the GOP for better rural/blue-collar #s, w/startlingly little debate inside the party. https://t.co/jzxr7vfJ8Q

— Ronald Brownstein (@RonBrownstein) March 11, 2020

The paradox of seeing Dem turnout: we're seeing moderates and former Republicans.

Yup. Because Trump's driving it, not Bernie.

Or to put in Chapo speak, good news for a return to the villainous neolib consensus, bad news for the revolution.

(Except of course there isn't even a neolib consensus anymore, because the Republican half of it is getting ready for a civil war or something.)

I'm tired

sounds bad to have a bunch of republicans in 'your' party but what do i know

^^^

Who cares about who's in what party? The 2020 challenge is voting out the guy in the White House. Check back for other challenges if that one gets solved.

This is fine.

I get "Blue No Matter Who" but that's a November pivot and we're still in the primary

We are?

until Sanders concedes, odds or not ,yea.

lol be funny if it was a Biden-Gabbard race tho

They're going to form a national unity government with Biden and Trump, try and get them on alternating sundowning schedules. One can take nights, one days and alternate weekends.

I'm fine with Bernie taking his time and whatever, but is there a scenario beyond Biden drowning in his soup where this is still a competitive race?

Biden shits himself (literally or metaphorically) at the next debate. The delegate gap is ~200 last time I looked before fully giving in to my economic panic.

Fair enough. Could happen. The only thing I was positive about coming into this primary was that Biden wouldn't be the nominee, so I still have time to be proved right.

Biden's still asking me for $5 as of an hour ago

There's no way in hell the debate turns this around. Sorry. Florida votes next Tuesday, and unless Biden says 'I actually agree with you (and Obama) on Castro' the delegate lead is going to widen.

I don't see this turning round either, Fred's man looks home and dry. Bernie saying "Joe absolutely beats Trump" is weird messaging. Not sure what they do about the debate, I assume just go through with it anyway and bank on it not having too much of an effect

Can we stop this thing that I should be pro-Biden? There's already posters who have gone into a rage spiral because they believed it

you should try being less of a concern troll, then

Sorry Fred! Thread is so fast moving miss a lot of posts. If a mod wants to delete

i can almost envision a world where both sides handle this intelligently, that Bernie conveys the importance of youth turnout in the general and presses Biden on at least being open to more progressive policy stances as a way to get those voters into the fold, and Biden for his part at least signals a willingness to entertain those views.

of course the problem is that this doesn't serve the interests of a media that thrives on conflict or candidate surrogates on both sides who don't seem inclined to set their egos aside (and honestly, Biden very well might not be able to set his aside, though I think Bernie can and seems to already be starting down that path).

i can almost envision a world where both sides handle this intelligently

I'll have what she's having.

as a way to get those voters into the fold

they won't ever come into the fold. they don't vote. every referendum, every national election, in every country, they don't vote.

Sadly otm (almost every otm is sad these days).

TBF, voting is a v v complex task and it's unfair to expect it of those whose cognition and/or motor skills aren't up to the challenge.

they won't ever come into the fold. they don't vote. every referendum, every national election, in every country, they don't vote.

and (I feel this is important to keep reiterating) they *especially* are not motivated to turn out by policy. They might turn out for a rock star celebrity that makes it "cool" to vote (cf. Obama) but even there it's rare and they don't do it in big enough margins to swing entire elections.

(citation needed)

I am probably in the 99th percentile of interest in and attention to politics, and I have been my whole life, and I didn't vote in non-presidential elections when I was in college either. I can't explain it. It just ... was a thing the people around me rarely did or talked about doing. I'm honestly not sure what could change it.

(citation needed)

every US presidential election ever

I super excited about voting as soon as I turned 18 because of rock the vote and rem.

I was excited because of how annoying it was to follow elections in high school and not be allowed to vote in them

my oldest daughter just voted for the first time (she's 19); she was excited to vote for the queer former sex worker for the house against the more established dem who lost to the rethug last time by 2000 votes.

I was excited to vote because I wanted to write-in my dad for President, which I did in 1992 because I wan't into either Bush or Clinton.

didn't know Perot was your dad

92 was my first too; I volunteered for the Clinton admin in south Texas and got assigned to dress up in masks and dark clothes to tear down GOP signs on street corners the night before the election. then free Taco Cabana at the big party downtown that night thrown by the local dems. then we went to a gas station and bought the Penthouse with Gennifer Flowers.

#livingthedream

I guess I should have specified "Bernie's coalition" rather than "the youths." I've definitely seen states where Sanders has outperformed Biden not just in the 18-29 bracket but all the way up to 45 year-olds. obviously Biden isn't winning an election if he only gets boomers to turn out.