2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

xp lol I posted that upthread, and it was roundly scoffed at

it's never the time to criticize any Democrats either

despair is not productive

productivity is a capitalism fetish :)

this is a great time to despair tbh, WAY before the general

xp lol I posted that upthread, and it was roundly scoffed at

― jaymc,

roundly scoffing has come full circle

I posted that upthread, and it was roundly scoffed at

I didn't scoff at it, although I think the degree to which Biden can be pressured from the left once in office will be limited somewhat. He'll pass what Pelosi and Schumer agree on (which is already going to establish limits itself), he's not gonna veto any of that shit. So that means we'd be likely to get some lefty priorities, but not a Sanders-style war on the rich.

xps

lol mordy

xps

Public option has outpolled M4A every time I've looked, though?

The President and the governor of a state are barely comparable in independence or power.

I think Bouie knows that.

like I can see Biden repealing Trump's tax cuts, shoring up financial regulatory authority, passing some kind of healthcare law, increasing the minimum wage, re-committing to Paris Accords + some kind of climate legislation. Lots of stuff. Won't all be great or ideal, but won't be bad either.

And I'd predict he nominates an African American liberal to the SC.

xps

we'd get an assault weapon ban as well, I'd wager

xp -- despair may not be productive but unfortunately, the state of events, as well as of the future, as well as one's internal emotional response, vare not set up to optimize productivity

if you are experiencing a dry cough or fever please DFH

(this is not limited to me, either; everyone I know is either angry, terrified, or despairing. these aren't all sanders supporters by the way, many of them were warren, one or two are "anyone but biden even bloomberg would be ok")

"even bloomberg would be ok" is pretty grim. here were my tiers:

oh, nice!
sanders and warren

not gonna happen, but ok
castro, booker, gillibrand, inslee,

fuck. ok.
klobuchar
pete
harris
steyer
beto
yang

the end times are approaching, so i guess
biden

fuck no
bloomberg
gabbard
williamson

Williamson earns my grudging support for actually being willing to lift a finger for Bernie

I mean... no

in an infinite universe, there exists a dimension that is led by
marianne williamson

sorry by "support" I should clarify I meant "a tiny degree of respect"

I won't actually "support" anything but her eventual ASMR feed

i saw someone praising williamson for staying true to her socialist policy principles over the party and i felt like that really is not what is going on there

we need president williamson now more than ever to help us get through the emotional trauma of covid-19 (aand also to stand boldly against vaccination obv)

everyone get ready.

the answer to covid-19 is...

love

xp — I don’t particularly understand their reasoning, no, they just really hate biden

you forgot about Delaney

fwiw I thought Inslee was just as good as Sanders & Warren but he polled at like 0.00001%

still I have hope he gets in to head the EPA, would be a great pick

Medicare for All is now 20 for 20 in the Dem primary.

That is, 20 states have now voted for president & been asked in exit polls if they prefer private health insurance or single payer. All 20 said single payer — by an average margin of over 20 pts.

State by state tallies 👇 pic.twitter.com/zMeQqrIn34

— Blake Zeff (@blakezeff) March 11, 2020

Williamson endorsed Yang before Bernie. I think her principles are just doing what the Orbs instruct.

i think about this tweet a lot

What worries the left about Biden is not that he might lose to Trump, though they do worry that. The first order worry is that, as president, he'd just grumble "folks, we're better than this" as the GOP stole his lunch money, setting up a GOP comeback in 2024.

— Dave Weigel (@daveweigel) April 27, 2019

but i wonder now if he's so doddery that the left could take his lunch money instead.

still haven't lost my taste for marianne williamson jokes, thanks for the lol on this bleak day karl

He's going to be kept isolated from "the left" just as he's being kept isolated from voters

i don't think that's necessarily true. he's moved left since 2008/2012/2016.

his platform right now doesn't go far enough for almost all the people on this thread, but it goes further than the one he was on in 2012 and the one hilary had in 2016. clearly the outside world has had an influence. he's not howard hughes.

That’s going to be the line for the next seven months but no one will actually believe it any more than Clinton’s “most progressive platform EVAR.”

You can’t evade your resume.

Is the guy who abandoned the Hyde Amendment eight months ago super invested in fighting against it?

Why would he need to fight against something already abandoned?

I think I've seen that empirically speaking, the policy promises that a campaign is running on is a better guide than earlier resume into what an elected politician will try and do.

The movement of white-collar suburbs away from the GOP in Trump era that was the single most powerful force in 2018 shows all signs of continuing in 2020. This is the trade Trump has imposed on the GOP for better rural/blue-collar #s, w/startlingly little debate inside the party. https://t.co/jzxr7vfJ8Q

— Ronald Brownstein (@RonBrownstein) March 11, 2020

The paradox of seeing Dem turnout: we're seeing moderates and former Republicans.

Yup. Because Trump's driving it, not Bernie.

Or to put in Chapo speak, good news for a return to the villainous neolib consensus, bad news for the revolution.

(Except of course there isn't even a neolib consensus anymore, because the Republican half of it is getting ready for a civil war or something.)

I'm tired

sounds bad to have a bunch of republicans in 'your' party but what do i know

^^^

Who cares about who's in what party? The 2020 challenge is voting out the guy in the White House. Check back for other challenges if that one gets solved.

This is fine.

I get "Blue No Matter Who" but that's a November pivot and we're still in the primary