2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

haaaa yes the NYT would never

I just learned of the James Biden thing today via Libby Watson in TNR. So that could get added to the list as well.

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— Alexis Isabel (@lexi4prez) March 11, 2020

lol @ Kamala's expression

"I doubt the NYT will put it on the frontpage if the leader of the FBI claims to have discovered something bad late october."

Lol

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Yeah, that is what I'm referencing. Doubt they'll do it this time. It was journalistic malpractice back then + nobody believes anyone in the Trump administration.

the NYT will do what they always do ie give cover to the right-wing under the guise of "both sides"/benefit of the doubt etc

Bernie speaking in 17 minutes

https://live.berniesanders.com/

Yeah, that is what I'm referencing. Doubt they'll do it this time.

https://i.imgur.com/C5971yh.jpg

NYT have shown no hint of growing a spine over the last three and a half years, not sure what would induce them to grow one now

Bernie Sanders will say at his press conference that he is staying in the race and planning to debate Joe Biden on Sunday, a source tells me. https://t.co/6En3iEjU9e

— Holly Otterbein (@hollyotterbein) March 11, 2020

Bernie Sanders will say at his press conference that he is staying in the race and planning to debate Joe Biden on Sunday, a source tells me.

https://i.imgur.com/C5971yh.jpg

HELL YEAH

lol Eric

old news (meaning over 20 minutes old), but i missed this:

The Democratic National Committee announced on Tuesday night that there will be no live audience at the Democratic presidential primary debate in Phoenix, Arizona on Sunday.

Both Joe Biden and Sen. Bernie Sanders’ (I-VT) campaigns had requested the move, according to DNC Communications Director Xochitl Hinojosa.

However, each candidate will be provided with a shock-jock style soundboard.

Good for Bernie, even though he has no shot. You know why, cause fuck Joe Biden.

at this point anything that damages Biden helps Trump

there's no way Bernie wins in FLA or GA, it's over

fuck you as always, Shakes

People insisting Sanders drop out right now have zero interest in democracy. (see above)

and so we progress to the next stage in the never-ending 4-year cycle of ilx arguments

the earlier the campaigns start, the earlier the cutoff point for criticizing the shitty democratic nominee

at this point anything that damages Biden helps Trump

There are ways to campaign that don't damage Biden, though, is the thing.

maybe I'm deluding myself but it sounds more like Sanders knows he's lost and he's hoping to use the debate to provoke Biden into taking leftist stances

For instance, Bernie is listing off questions he'll ask of Biden based on voters' stated policy preferences, and saying absolutely nothing negative. Seems like a reasonable approach to me! xp

he's not capable of stringing together a paragraph that makes a coherent argument of why trump is a living nightmare, but he's our guy! that's the reality (no irony there)

tbf, i think it's actually pretty hard, more difficult than it would seem, to make a concise argument on why trump is a living nightmare. you see that here on ilx and other places, sometimes, with the "is trump REALLY that bad tho? btw i'm white or pass as white!!" argument. but it would be great to have a nominee with at least a fighting chance of being able to articulate the argument against trump. instead we're gonna have biden getting a bit confused and THEN RAISING THE VOICE TO THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS, LOOKIT HIS RECORD, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT HE DOES NOW WHEN HE CAN'T PIECE THINGS TOGETHER, HE JUST SPEAKS AT THE TOP OF HIS LUNGS AND STARES AT PEOPLE UNTIL THE 90 SECONDS ARE OVER

I agree. The speech was pretty good. He wasn't defiant or shouty; he didn't call Biden an asshole; he just said they're gonna debate and he was gonna try to drag Biden to the left. I can support that.

everytime Biden opens his mouth damages Biden

if the situation was reversed, none of the talking heads would suggest Biden quit; none.

at this point, though, is there anyone who is not either already convinced either that trump is a living nightmare, or that he is making america great again

he's hoping to use the debate to provoke Biden into taking leftist stances

he's not a fantasist

maybe I'm deluding myself but it sounds more like Sanders knows he's lost and he's hoping to use the debate to provoke Biden into taking leftist stances

this is smart and good and I hope so

posters that can read words might note that I didn't say Bernie needs to drop out now, it doesn't really matter imo. Trying to damage Biden, though, is counterproductive.

Is there a candidate who could have been worse for Democratic moderates than Hillary Clinton in 2016? Not only losing to Trump, but underperforming against a progressive in the primary so dramatically it meaningfully shifts discourse to the left.

— Osita Nwanevu (@OsitaNwanevu) March 11, 2020

at this point anything that damages Biden helps Trump

Delegate count is roughly 800-660, the two candidates have radically different agendas and philosophies, but one of them should stop campainging to "protect" the other, eight months before the general election

bernie has next to no chance, delegate-wise. sorry

i'm very sympathetic to the cause and wish that wasn't the case

Burisma will land, because it’s obvious corruption. Doesn’t matter that Trump/the GOP are hypocrites, those rules never apply.

xpost shakey I hit submit b4 reading your clarifier, but this idea that Biden is going to be "hurt" anymore than Trump was by a whole field of R candidates calling for his hed is :-/

I love this ilx tactic of inaccurately paraphrasing other posters' posts, always good to see

xps

Burisma will land, because it’s obvious corruption.

lol there it is

carrying water for the enemy

bernie has next to no chance, delegate-wise. sorry

In his speech, he acknowledged the delegate shortfall while stressing that the campaign's policies remain very popular. The focus is clearly shifting away from Sanders himself to keeping as many of them as possible in the conversation.

km Biden was also dead three days before SC, literally anything can happen

It would be ridiculous for Sanders to drop out before the one-on-one debate. It's basically like getting 45-60 minutes to press his issues to a large audience.

i'd link to a 538 explainer on the delegate situation, but they're canceled because nate silver said there was a 71.4% chance that hilary clinton would win the election, and the 3 in 10 outcome happened instead. t

No chance in hell a corrupt son will land, lol

Watched Sanders as closely as I could in a grade 3 classroom...I was actually in my ex-principal's office this morning saying something like this: "I don't know if candidates ever do this, but if I were Sanders I'd phone up Biden and say 'I will be debating this Sunday, and I'm going to pin you down on this and this and this--have your answers ready.' And really, that's exactly what he just did--good job. I don't think combing over the past is very productive inter-party at this point, but Sanders can still exert a huge influence the rest of the way.

Every child of a politician should be isolated on a comfortable island for the duration of the parent’s time in office.

this idea that Biden is going to be "hurt"

it depends what tack Bernie takes - there's clearly Bernie supporters here that already refuse to vote for Biden, but Biden needs as many Berniebro votes as he can get. That's where the potential for damage is.

xps

Why would moderates want Bernie to drop out now? They’re going to need an excuse when Joe steps on every rake on the ground between now and November.