2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

Anyway Kelly up 7 points in AZ so that’s pretty fn good

Anecdotal evidence, etc, but the Latinx Sanders voters whom I'm acquainted with loathe "The DNC" more than Trump.

― TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Wednesday, March 11, 2020 9:35 AM (twenty-nine minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I'm with your Latinx friends and in my lifetime of voting Democrat I have never felt as much desire to cast a spite vote as I do today. Which would mean voting Jill or #demexit, not a vote for the belligerent maniac Trump, which I hope and assume goes without saying.

Sorry guys I'm sure I'll cool off by November but I'm really goddamned depressed today

not having seen him most people voted for Joe BIden c. 2008

bbbut everyone watches cable news

I spite-voted for Nader in 2000, got it out of my system, albeit in a non-competitive state. That's back when I thought of presidential elections differently. Since then I've come around to "any thug who will beat the other team's thug, I don't care," because the other team is way more wrong about just about anything than anyone running against them will be. (And in terms of teams, I've never in my life considered myself a Democrat, this is broader than that. Secular progressivism vs. whatever you want to call what Trump is.)

People in non-competitive states should spite-vote all they want imo, as long as they don't accidentally tip the state into being competitive in the wrong direction. But also, I think presidential elections are giant blunt levers and that's all they are, and they affect the entire executive branch plus also obvs the Supreme Court and a bunch of other things. It's just not really about the name on the ballot to me. If I actually like the person attached to the name, that's a bonus.

yeah I'll vote for Biden but there is no way I'm going to help campaign or donate a single dollar to their cause any more. go hit up Bloomberg.

i will vote for whomever removes this sinus headache from my head

Probably Bernie tbh.

Some interesting numbers in here: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/opinion/sanders-trump-biden.html?action=click&module=Opinion&pgtype=Homepage

Suggesting that Sanders' voters overall may well be more of a real progressive coalition this year than in 2016, but also why a smaller one.

In other words, the myth of the radical/progressive white working class voter rising up in solidarity is punctured once again.

lol @ ppl wondering why Biden's getting broader base of support/fewer negatives than Hillary. HE DOESN'T HAVE BOOBS. Yes, I do think America just hates women *that much*. Biden also hasn't been vilified for decades by the right-wing media.

It does appear true that black guys, dem-socialist guys and thuggish con artist racist guys all run better if they get to run against women in general and Hillary in particular.

the celebrity-persona/narrative around Biden doesn't have any of the negatives that Hillary or Bernie had. Biden's isn't Trump-strength, but generally his image is of the affable, down-to-earth guy (I am aware this has no bearing on reality, needless to say reality doesn't matter in this context)

Trump's gonna try to portray him as corrupt - a mirror-inversion of his own image - but that's a much weaker gambit than "don't you all hate getting lectured by a know-it-all bitch"

centrists: haha look at all these misogynist DSA dudebros hating women (except for the ones they help get elected)!
the right: haha look at these DSA dweebs disrupting their own events with privilege checks and anti-microaggression measures!

I love both of these narratives xxp

Yeah the real Biden can (and probably should) be kept hidden away in a closet, while the projected idealized Biden-image cruises to (one hopes) victory.

The Biden hologram will be based on the 1996 vintage for sure.

Οὖτις very OTM. If there’s one consistent theme in the last three election cycles, it’s that of the glass ceiling being equally buttressed by the right and the left.

xp it's not plagiarism if you're repeating yourself!

Bernie Sanders will hold a press conference at 1 p.m. from Burlington, Vermont.

— Holly Otterbein (@hollyotterbein) March 11, 2020

In other words, the myth of the radical/progressive white working class voter rising up in solidarity is punctured once again.

Reading folks on twitter suggesting left needs a perfect candidate— not too old, not too young, Bernie like ideas but no mention of socialism or Cuba, support old and young black causes or maybe even be a poc, support all working class and all middle class ; make clear when criticizing Dem establishment politicians that you aren’t criticizing people who vote for them who you want on your side

so AOC in twenty years. cool

would have been nice for there to be a bernie-biden debate, but at this point that wouldn't change anything, might damage biden for the general, and would give ammo to centrists to blame bernie/the left. i can see his calculus here

This is good:

If Biden goes on to win the White House, there’s real space for the pro-Sanders left to work its will on policy. It can use its influence to steer Biden toward its preferred outcomes. It can fulfill some of its goals under the cover of Biden’s moderation, from raising the minimum wage nationally to pushing the American health care system closer to single-payer.

This may sound a lot like wishful thinking. And if Biden were a different politician — if, like Sanders, he was strongly ideological — I might also doubt his malleability. But Biden, like Northam, is a creature of the party. He doesn’t buck the mainstream, he accommodates it. He doesn’t reject the center, he tries to claim it. You saw this during the Obama administration, when Biden reversed himself on a career of moderation to embrace and champion the former president’s most liberal policies.

If the two Sanders campaigns have, over five years, pulled the center of the Democratic Party as far left as it’s been since before Ronald Reagan, then Biden is likely to hew to that center, not challenge it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/03/11/opinion/columnists/biden-sanders-2020.html

(Jamelle Bouie)

Biden is "a creature" of the credit card insustry.

I mean come on, please with this stuff

I guess this is the next wave of NYT mollifying we should expect from here to Nov

is this the same Joe Biden who said he'd veto an M4A bill

guys this country isn't ready for democratic socialism, but you know who might surprise you as a persuadable democratic socialist? JOE BIDEN *rimshot*

xp No, that's the Joe Biden who lives in your head. The one out here in the physical world would sign any M4A bill passed by a Democratic Congress.

I'm extremely relieved to find out I imagined this shitty Joe Biden!

Joe Biden just said he would veto Medicare-for-All because it would "delay" healthcare coverage.

His own healthcare plan leaves 10 million people uninsured.pic.twitter.com/mpW6Z58miB

— jordan (@JordanUhl) March 10, 2020

FWIW, what Biden actually said was "I would veto anything that delays providing security and certainty of healthcare being available now."

Trump's gonna try to portray him as corrupt - a mirror-inversion of his own image - but that's a much weaker gambit than "don't you all hate getting lectured by a know-it-all bitch"

― Οὖτις, Wednesday, March 11, 2020 11:47 AM (twenty-six minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the frothing rage over hunter biden and burisma and the deep state heavily suggests otherwise (much like the rhetoric against hillary was less that and more "but benghazi, but her emails")

like I'm not trying to sound overly pessimistic here but there's no need to speculate about how trump/the gop/fox news/etc will portray biden when they have been portraying him this way for half a year

that's all within the last 6 months, and has the convenient added bonus of reminding the other side of Trump's impeachment

so, no I don't think it quite carries the weight of Hillary's baggage

that's all within the last 6 months, and has the convenient added bonus of reminding the other side of Trump's impeachment

hypocritical attacks are consistently Trump's faves

I suspect the fact that trump was acquitted heavily dampens the effect of trump's impeachment -- certainly removes it from the news cycle, and drops it off the radar of people whose mental conception of "impeachment" = "no more trump"

I'm pretty sure this was posted unironically.

"Never underestimate the capacity for the Democratic Party to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory." Says my foster father's partner. #WriteinBernie

— KVNDRY SINGS (@KVNDRY) March 11, 2020

Covid-19 running the best anti-trump campaign of this election season

GOP is def trying to turn Burisma into Benghazi, and thereby find another emails thing to attack with, but I doubt anyone will buy into it. They can get the faithful to shout along, I doubt the NYT will put it on the frontpage if the leader of the FBI claims to have discovered something bad late october.

haaaa yes the NYT would never

I just learned of the James Biden thing today via Libby Watson in TNR. So that could get added to the list as well.

caption this pic pic.twitter.com/bl8C4o2SqU

— Alexis Isabel (@lexi4prez) March 11, 2020

lol @ Kamala's expression

"I doubt the NYT will put it on the frontpage if the leader of the FBI claims to have discovered something bad late october."

Lol

https://i.imgur.com/FPGCL0z.jpg

Yeah, that is what I'm referencing. Doubt they'll do it this time. It was journalistic malpractice back then + nobody believes anyone in the Trump administration.

the NYT will do what they always do ie give cover to the right-wing under the guise of "both sides"/benefit of the doubt etc

Bernie speaking in 17 minutes

https://live.berniesanders.com/

Yeah, that is what I'm referencing. Doubt they'll do it this time.

https://i.imgur.com/C5971yh.jpg