2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

There are pandemics, recessions and more besides but there are also solutions and people out there willing to fight for those so who is to say whether this is good or bad.

Fear of the next few months has put a real damper on my fear of the next few years.

Something I had forgotten about is that Biden had a bad stutter and that some of his speech issues might be tied to that rather than mental debility

I speculated earlier he might bring that up himself at some point just to make ppl pipe down.

For some reason the biggest and most trusted newspaper here in Finland has been continuously mentioning the stutter to explain away all of his gaffes... But as someone said in the previous thread, the fact that he was seemingly able to better navigate the stutter and avoid mistakes earlier in his life than he is now could in itself be a sign of diminished cognitive capabilities. And of course the stutter doesn't explain all of it, like mistaking his sister with his wife.

Yeah Joe’s been in the public eye for a long time and this is the first I’m ever seeing and hearing of his stutter

for your sanity, plz turn motherfucking MSNBC off

also let's just call that guy "the nominee"

Jim Clyburn has the vibe of a corrupt mayor for a reason

That guy, just a stellar character https://t.co/LI7Yrpu9U0

— Thomas: Malarkey Watch 2020 🕰️ (@ThomasIsOnline) March 11, 2020

go die in a fire, dude

Yeah this has all been one big slow motion bummer but I don’t see the need for Bernie to debate this fool again. It’s a waste of time and will only (further) turn him into a “villain”.

Maybe time to redirect that energy and fundraising into something other than running a quixotic primary campaign. What that looks like exactly I don’t know. Well, other than progressives on the ballot and campaigning and fundraising for them to primary conservatives democrats where feasible...

also it seems that Trump is still setting records for uncontested turnout?

may be because he's actually campaigning in these states, something which Presidents generally do not waste their time doing

But as someone said in the previous thread, the fact that he was seemingly able to better navigate the stutter and avoid mistakes earlier in his life than he is now could in itself be a sign of diminished cognitive capabilities.

What? Avoid mistakes? Joe Biden has _always_ spoke like this. I listened to his speech from yesterday and there’s no discernible difference.

I’ve mostly avoided the “watch Joe doodoo his pants while confronting a factory worker” videos because I mostly just didn’t care, but I did watch the veto M4A clip with O’Donnell and holy god he looks like absolute hell. Never thought someone running for pres could make Trump look vigorous by comparison but shit I guess here we are.

"I don’t see the need for Bernie to debate this fool again. It’s a waste of time and will only (further) turn him into a “villain”."

What about the entertainment value?

Trolly problem modernized (2020) pic.twitter.com/Uhvi9t0Wbh

— ☄️Green Party or Gust☄️ (@songforacarter) March 6, 2020

Sad lol.

Is 'trolly' a deliberate misspelling?

I listened to his speech from yesterday and there’s no discernible difference.

― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:33 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There's a noticeable difference, putting the stutter/garble aside he seems incapable of modulating his voice, planing out on one loud note like he's talking on autopilot. He does not seem capable of returning from a tangent or drafting in any nuance.

Trump on the hand is pure discursion, which will make him look positively nimble by contrast

No idea what you're talking about, the most electable candidate came out on top as per the people's wishes.

oh right I forgot

I mean the problem is that the guy didn't really campaign and not having seen him most people voted for Joe BIden c. 2008

Which will make the next seven months extra fun!!

look I know Biden is full of brain worms but idk about the whole "Trump will destroy him" narrative, idk if you've seen the president lately but he's as incoherent and idiotic as ever

He does not seem capable of returning from a tangent or drafting in any nuance.

I don’t want to continue to shit on the guy I’ll eventually vote for but isn’t this “classic Joe Biden?” 😆

Yeah.

Yang has endorsed Biden, in case anyone was holding their breath on that one.

look I know Biden is full of brain worms but idk about the whole "Trump will destroy him" narrative, idk if you've seen the president lately but he's as incoherent and idiotic as ever

Bill Maher (I know) had Rachel Bitecofer on his show on Friday night and according to her models, this election really is all about Trump hate, as I've been expecting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvM8-z7THs

xps the bummer is that Trump's idiocy doesn't really cost him anything because he's not expected to "govern" per se, whereas Biden as an institutionalist/lawmaker has a higher bar because he's supposed to "know stuff"

not fair but that was how the 2016 debates went

The turnout numbers have been a comfort.

Are these former candidates all eyeing up the VP nomination then?

agreed re turnout.

Are these former candidates all eyeing up the VP nomination then?

at least a few ye'd have to reckon. Harris ended up being a lot more canny than Warren imo in terms of bailing out well before she had a chance to lose her home state and I would be v unsurprised to see her get it

truly this was a banner night and is going to be a banner day as well as a banner week and a banner month and very likely a banner year, for "stop whining, you're HURTING THE CAUSE!" as if a) oh, you say have legitimate reasons to be worried about your future as well as the future of humanity (which thanks to climate change timeline is not hyperbole? oh, you say that you have depression? just stop being sad, it isn't hard!!"

Biden/ Yang 2020. Because Hey, Fuck It

xpost You can still be worried, and you can keep fighting and campaigning for what you want. The varied responses to the covid outbreak show the importance and impact of local government.

We've been pretty consistent on ILX in documenting (and expressing) hatred and contempt for Trump. I think it should not be surprising that hatred and contempt for Trump should be driving votes and turnout. Fingers crossed it's enough.

yeah Biden's VP pick is going to be very important, I mean I can barely see him making it to November much less a second term

the bummer is that Trump's idiocy doesn't really cost him anything because he's not expected to "govern" per se

This is true but i think there's a distinction to be made between mental sharpness as proof of ability to govern and mental sharpness as a weapon to be used against opponents. Trump has never had the former but he was at least fairly effective with the latter a while back. He seems much less coherent now.

a minor celebrity I previously liked is backing Biden now on the basis that he'll have Harris as VP, also he thinks Sanders can't beat Trump, it's a bit depressing to read his feed and he has joined the massive list of the unfollowed, not that anyone cares I suppose

Is it Michael Ian Black

nope

As long as we are wildly speculating, I would lol if Biden picked Harris as VP, won the election, and then immediately resigned.

I would love to see that if only for the GOP reaction.

"Biden! Burisma! 25th Amendment! We have to ..."

"OK, I resign. Here's your new president."

"Well, we need to ... oh."

is there solid polling backing the "Bernie would beat Trump and Biden wouldn't" theory

idk the thing that worries me is that there's a lot of centrist types who dislike Donald Trump (even though they may have voted for him in 2016) who don't really like either Dem candidate but still say "well I'm not going to vote for ~~*sOcIaLiSm*~~ so if it's Bernie I'll be forced to vote Trump", which is why certain H2H polls might look better for Biden, when in reality they're all gonna pull the level for Trump anyway because "well the economy was good"

I'm going to assume anyone that voted for Trump before is going to vote for him again.

is there solid polling backing the "Bernie would beat Trump and Biden wouldn't" theory

idk the thing that worries me is that there's a lot of centrist types who dislike Donald Trump (even though they may have voted for him in 2016) who don't really like either Dem candidate but still say "well I'm not going to vote for ~~*sOcIaLiSm*~~ so if it's Bernie I'll be forced to vote Trump", which is why certain H2H polls might look better for Biden, when in reality they're all gonna pull the level for Trump anyway because "well the economy was good"

― frogbs, Wednesday, March 11, 2020 8:45 AM (fifty seconds ago) bookmarkflaglink

there is head-to-head polling of them against trump showing them roughly equal (usually sanders has a slight lead, though that's since flipped toward biden, equally slightly)

was good

a lot of centrist types who dislike Donald Trump (even though they may have voted for him in 2016) who don't really like either Dem candidate but still say "well I'm not going to vote for ~~*sOcIaLiSm*~~ so if it's Bernie I'll be forced to vote Trump"

I think the danger is less that centrists would vote for Trump instead but that they won't vote, period.

both biden and trump are going to live to be a hundred years old

I think the danger is less that centrists would vote for Trump instead but that they won't vote, period.

This is correct, I think. If Biden turns out to be doddering and shaky, it's not hard to imagine it depressing turnout.