2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

and i'm sure that in older circles, absolutely no one they know likes bernie except for their children and their friends

the impression i get from wealthy MSNBC pundits is that every single biden voter is a former mcgovern voter, now wise

i was thinking about these same wise old biden voters, and who or what they thought they stood for in the 60s and 70s.

*kids in the hall voice*

i CRUSH you

I'm in my late forties. Most of my same-age friends are fine with both Sanders and Biden and will enthusiastically back whoever gets nominated; I have some friends my own age who are ride or die Sanders and some who prefer Biden to Sanders but really very few who are e.g. canvassing for one or the other at this point. Very few of my friends started out with Biden as first choice; at least half Warren (middle-aged people with advanced degrees) and some Harris, too. (And lots of them did canvass for & contribute to Warren.) My parents and my wife's parents are all definite Biden voters. How old are you, Karl?

36. everyone i knew was bernie or warren, with all the allegiances to warren shifting to bernie, because come on, joe fucking biden

yeah I think the Biden line is more like 45. It's not just 60-year-olds or people who remember McGovern going for him, is what I'm saying. It's your friends in ten years.

Biden 2020 is the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull to Obama 2008's Raiders of the Lost Ark. KotCS was fucking terrible, but it also made $800m on name-recognition & franchise nostalgia. No one *liked* it, but everyone saw it.

Does that make him the New Jersey of thr Democratic Party?

*the

Since everyone seems to have agreed that Sanders is done,

half of the delegates are yet to be assigned and most of the states have still to vote

James Carville's eyes are going to bleed with anger that Bernie's sticking it out to do one last debate

One hates to say "the fix is in" and suggest that everyone dropping out and endorsing Biden after agitation from the DNC and Clyburn was a desperate attempt by the bound-to-donor-class to secure their sinecures for another four years while society collapses, but

Rep. Clyburn on NPR four hours ago: "I think when the night is over, Joe Biden will be the prohibitive favorite to win the Democratic nomination... If the night ends the way it has begun" it's time to "shut this primary down," meaning the DNC should "step in" and cancel future debates. He says prolonging the primary process only makes it more likely that the favorite, Biden in his eyes, "gets himself into trouble" and hurts himself for the general election.

Lol, will Biden also be able to hide from Trump.

i remember 'underhwelming turnout' being a concern early on in the year, but this bodes well (N/A for states that switched from caucuses to primaries)

There are still ~1 million uncounted votes in CA, so this number will rise, but so far Dem primary/caucus turnout is up about 26% compared to 2016 pic.twitter.com/fSw9InLlHM

— Steve Kornacki (@SteveKornacki) March 10, 2020

a desperate attempt by the bound-to-donor-class to secure their sinecures for another four years

Yep, like usual. It's not that this isn't bad or corrupt, it's just baked in to some degree. Everybody wants a job or the promise of a shot in the future or both.

And yeah, that turnout was what I was talking about before. I think Democratic participation is up a lot this year, which is most likely good news for the nominee in November.

i write about healthcare for a job and frequently cover Medicare and senior care programs and the most interesting thing about boomers literally choosing biden and trump is that they're absolutely all going to suffer and struggle under either one of those dudes.

— ghost wife (@eponawest) March 11, 2020

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_drive

xp that jump in voting in texas in particular is very good to see. one big flip like that could make up for a lot in november

turnout still lower than 08 from what I can see sorry

also it seems that Trump is still setting records for uncontested turnout?

I've been scared, dismayed, or disappointed by election results before but I don't think I've ever been this viscerally disgusted. Hillary Clinton was at least highly intelligent and serious about the issues.

— Sund4r

One for the 'Democracy vs Autocracy' thread. I mean, not really, but it is painful to see entire nations systematically shoot themselves in the foot when offered a sensible counter-option. Which is why this…

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_drive

— xyzzzz__

…is otm, with the (shared) proviso that this is hardly a reason to give up. But boy does it ever suck.

Aka life is very wrong.

Btw I think the solution here is to have a media savvy Neo-Stalinist communist in the running so as to make social democrats like Bernie seem less 'radical' to the US public.

is otm, with the (shared) proviso that this is hardly a reason to give up. But boy does it ever suck.

― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Wednesday, 11 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Not giving up for a second.

I'm surprised you're not all more pessimistic!

There are pandemics, recessions and more besides but there are also solutions and people out there willing to fight for those so who is to say whether this is good or bad.

Fear of the next few months has put a real damper on my fear of the next few years.

Something I had forgotten about is that Biden had a bad stutter and that some of his speech issues might be tied to that rather than mental debility

I speculated earlier he might bring that up himself at some point just to make ppl pipe down.

For some reason the biggest and most trusted newspaper here in Finland has been continuously mentioning the stutter to explain away all of his gaffes... But as someone said in the previous thread, the fact that he was seemingly able to better navigate the stutter and avoid mistakes earlier in his life than he is now could in itself be a sign of diminished cognitive capabilities. And of course the stutter doesn't explain all of it, like mistaking his sister with his wife.

Yeah Joe’s been in the public eye for a long time and this is the first I’m ever seeing and hearing of his stutter

for your sanity, plz turn motherfucking MSNBC off

also let's just call that guy "the nominee"

Jim Clyburn has the vibe of a corrupt mayor for a reason

That guy, just a stellar character https://t.co/LI7Yrpu9U0

— Thomas: Malarkey Watch 2020 🕰️ (@ThomasIsOnline) March 11, 2020

go die in a fire, dude

Yeah this has all been one big slow motion bummer but I don’t see the need for Bernie to debate this fool again. It’s a waste of time and will only (further) turn him into a “villain”.

Maybe time to redirect that energy and fundraising into something other than running a quixotic primary campaign. What that looks like exactly I don’t know. Well, other than progressives on the ballot and campaigning and fundraising for them to primary conservatives democrats where feasible...

also it seems that Trump is still setting records for uncontested turnout?

may be because he's actually campaigning in these states, something which Presidents generally do not waste their time doing

But as someone said in the previous thread, the fact that he was seemingly able to better navigate the stutter and avoid mistakes earlier in his life than he is now could in itself be a sign of diminished cognitive capabilities.

What? Avoid mistakes? Joe Biden has _always_ spoke like this. I listened to his speech from yesterday and there’s no discernible difference.

I’ve mostly avoided the “watch Joe doodoo his pants while confronting a factory worker” videos because I mostly just didn’t care, but I did watch the veto M4A clip with O’Donnell and holy god he looks like absolute hell. Never thought someone running for pres could make Trump look vigorous by comparison but shit I guess here we are.

"I don’t see the need for Bernie to debate this fool again. It’s a waste of time and will only (further) turn him into a “villain”."

What about the entertainment value?

Trolly problem modernized (2020) pic.twitter.com/Uhvi9t0Wbh

— ☄️Green Party or Gust☄️ (@songforacarter) March 6, 2020

Sad lol.

Is 'trolly' a deliberate misspelling?

I listened to his speech from yesterday and there’s no discernible difference.

― Allen (etaeoe), Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:33 AM (twenty-eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

There's a noticeable difference, putting the stutter/garble aside he seems incapable of modulating his voice, planing out on one loud note like he's talking on autopilot. He does not seem capable of returning from a tangent or drafting in any nuance.

Trump on the hand is pure discursion, which will make him look positively nimble by contrast

No idea what you're talking about, the most electable candidate came out on top as per the people's wishes.

oh right I forgot

I mean the problem is that the guy didn't really campaign and not having seen him most people voted for Joe BIden c. 2008

Which will make the next seven months extra fun!!

look I know Biden is full of brain worms but idk about the whole "Trump will destroy him" narrative, idk if you've seen the president lately but he's as incoherent and idiotic as ever

He does not seem capable of returning from a tangent or drafting in any nuance.

I don’t want to continue to shit on the guy I’ll eventually vote for but isn’t this “classic Joe Biden?” 😆

Yeah.

Yang has endorsed Biden, in case anyone was holding their breath on that one.

look I know Biden is full of brain worms but idk about the whole "Trump will destroy him" narrative, idk if you've seen the president lately but he's as incoherent and idiotic as ever

Bill Maher (I know) had Rachel Bitecofer on his show on Friday night and according to her models, this election really is all about Trump hate, as I've been expecting.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jqvM8-z7THs