2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

Family update: teenage son still all in for Biden, preteen daughter, who was a Warren booster with me, is now Biden, not sure how my wife is leaning

lol the Bernie bros shit is an almost exact copy of the “so much for the tolerant left!!!” shite that accompanied Corbyn being elected leader of the Labour Party. It is and always has been a distraction and clear attempt at delegitimising the politicians in question.

Like you had people with high-profile public columns engaging in fake outrage at some rando twitter account while at the same time calling people who were excited about a left leadership “thick as pigshit” (Janan Ganesh) and utterly refusing to discuss policy or the reasons people might have voted for Corbyn. The fact this is so prolonged and just fucking refuses to die is just so damning and everyone giving this oxygen is following the exact same path.

weird how this became a big issue with the media but not Trump supporters literally sending death threats to journalists on a regular basis

Biden now at 99/100 according to 538.

I wonder if there's a way to measure whether the online discourse of the Bernie Brothers is more or less toxic than that of the current President of these, our United States.

Biden on MSNBC last night said of his vote for the Iraq War, "I didn't believe he had those nuclear weapons. I didn't believe he had those weapons of mass destruction."

He said his vote was for inspectors to prove they didn't have WMDs.

This isn't backed by our reporting. pic.twitter.com/O3Tq0Ihzxt

— andrew kaczynski🤔 (@KFILE) March 10, 2020

I think the toxic behavior of Trump supporters, online and off, has been a central recurring media narrative about him basically since the beginning.

Cool, must be imagining the dozens of concern trolling messages in these and other threads.

I think the vast, vast majority of people don't pay attention to either.

Like, Trump has, what, 70 million twitter followers? And that's for a free global platform that one can just sign up for and follow passively.

I think the vast, vast majority of people don't pay attention to either.

f a left-wing candidate ever gets a big enough coalition to actually win, "the toxic online discourse" will be shown to be the non-sequitur non-issue (as in, not an issue that actually impacts turnout or results, not to say no one gets harassed etc.) it actually is imho

That hypothetical candidate might also have figured out a strategy to deal with/minimize the fallout from such discourse, rather than pretending it doesn't exist.

Neither this candidate we actually had nor anyone itt denied that it existed!

many people commiting themselves to spending months denying things like "the Iraq War vote was a vote to invade Iraq" and "the Obama administration proposed cuts to Social Security"

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) March 10, 2020

unfortunately for my sanity I am "in my 30s" and "was paying attention" and "remember stuff"

— 'Weird Alex' Pareene (@pareene) March 10, 2020

Anyway I agree that Bernie is not going to be done in by any of this. If his base was bigger and broader, it wouldn't matter. If his strategy had worked the way he thought it would, it wouldn't matter. Basically if he won, it wouldn't matter. And it's not going to be the reason he doesn't win. It hasn't helped him IMO, but it's not why he's not going to be the nominee.

xp this is hilarious because this exists for literally every candidate to a greater or lesser degree - the only difference is the amount of coverage. So why would that be? Are they uniquely vicious? More so than the people flinging around racist comments and death threats? Why is Bernie held to a higher standard, especially when he’s consistently discouraged abuse both in his speeches and own actions and when nobody is queueing up to ask Joe Biden about all the racists who seem to be fans of his?

well this is a great time to log off for a week

Kind of a rude way to describe eephus' family xp

Hi ILX, could you plz help me decide between Bernie and Biden? My head spins whenever I try to meditate on it. Thx.

gotta be biden, he stood right next to obama

I'm still voting Bernie next week, idgaf. I'll cross the Biden bridge when we're inevitably nudged hard in that direction half a year from now.

Shocking development

https://www.vox.com/2020/3/10/21169166/elizabeth-warren-working-class-women

I'll vote Bernie later today. It won't slow Biden down, but it'll be a "consider the left, you doddering old fool" message.

you should vote loud then

shout at every boomer you see just to be safe

I think if you feel very strongly they let you vote more than once. Couldn't hurt to ask.

vote or die!

Biden now at 99/100 according to 538.

― romanesque architect (pomenitul), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 bookmarkflaglink

Going the way the wind blows, with data

eff 538

https://images.45worlds.com/s/78/harry-roy-and-his-orchestra-sky-high-honeymoon-parlophone-78-s.jpg

we regret to inform you that Mr. Ketchup sucks ass:

I asked @JohnKerry today about whether he agreed that @BernieSanders Cuba literacy comments were the same as Obama’s 2014 remarks about the island’s education system in 2014. Here’s what Kerry - Sec of State during rapprochement - had to say: pic.twitter.com/rrkjsL6SFb

— David Smiley (@NewsbySmiley) March 9, 2020

swiftboat him

It’s been fun, campaign trail: @latimes has suspended work-related air travel and is prepping the newsroom to work from home to help slow the spread of coronavirus.

— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) March 10, 2020

We gotta figure out what it means. (We can still drive and will still go into dangerous situations etc.) But given the trend of things, I also don’t know how much longer they can keep holding huge rallies without becoming a threat to public health. https://t.co/uePGFdYk4a https://t.co/CpbTycjUwZ

— Matt Pearce 🦅 (@mattdpearce) March 10, 2020

OMG, is this the beautiful denouement that four years of deplorable rallies have been leading up to?

if bernie doesn't suspend his campaign after tonight they'll be blaming him for spreading the disease by holding rallies/making people vote

oh nice, maybe this will lead to an increase in online political engagement!!

Maybe this will lead to the cancellation of political reporting!

if bernie doesn't suspend his campaign after tonight they'll be blaming him for spreading the disease by holding rallies/making people vote

something like that is almost inevitable, i think. #trumpdemic and #trumpcrash are both trending on twitter, despite (for once) these things not being caused by trump. who knows who the fuck is tweeting that, but it's inevitable that the right will come up with their own, only 10x louder and wronger, and amplified by fox

Maybe this will lead to the cancellation of political reporting!

fingers crossed!!

remember when real political reporters would scoff at people writing about politics at home in their pajamas

Now the real political reporters will scoff at voters while they sit at home in their pajamas.

I grudgingly give Biden a little credit for not taking any shit here:
https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486812-biden-tells-man-confronting-him-about-2nd-amendment-youre-full-of-shit

Yeah, was gonna say. Not really sure cranky, yelling Biden is exactly a turn-off to a specific subset of voters, et al.

"Don't tell me that, pal, or I'm going to go outside with your ass."

There's full-throated response to gun nuts, but also... "civility"

wtf I love Biden now

whoa now. that's like loving Trump for saying "not drinking alcohol is the only good thing about me"

(and he did)

Trump acts like a mean habitual drunk anyway, so what's the difference?

'wtf I love (x) now' is a dumb meme and I'm unreasonably fond of it.

xp