2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

same goes for Steyer, although he hasn't done nearly the shitty number of things Bloomberg has.

it's over:
https://www.freep.com/story/news/politics/elections/2020/03/09/polls-joe-biden-holds-lead-over-bernie-sanders-michigan-primaries/4994142002/

If true, do you (does anyone?) think Sanders will just pull the plug after this week, or is he sticking it out to the bitter end?

“Something happened on Super Tuesday with (other) candidates getting out and people are all of a sudden questioning Bernie’s positions on issues,” said Bernie Porn, pollster for Lansing-based EPIC-MRA, which conducted the survey of 400 likely Democratic primary voters between Wednesday and Friday. “If anything, it may be low in terms of the percentage that Biden may get.”

Biden now 24/25 according to 538.

or is he sticking it out to the bitter end?

well let's see based on past behavior...

If true, do you (does anyone?) think Sanders will just pull the plug after this week, or is he sticking it out to the bitter end?

more delegates = more of a case that a significant chunk of the Dem electorate wants at least *some* progressive policy/representation. winning ain't everything. (this is why Warren not backing him bugs me, not because I think she could make the difference btwn winning and losing.) if he's not torching the bridge - he's been steadily calling Biden his friend, saying he could "absolutely" beat Trump etc - why not stick around?

anyone who thinks Bernie won't endorse Biden when it's all over (as I've seen some worry about) hasn't been paying attention

Yeah but what if the bros end up voting for Trump instead, like they did last time, amirite?

I have no doubt Bernie will endorse and campaign for Biden

Well, let's see, polling in Michigan has been bad.

I mean, he eventually endorsed Clinton, but there was a feeling (or probably more accurately, an accusation) he did so reluctantly or half-heartedly. That feels like a million years ago now, though, and for all we know his support *did* help her and she would have done even worse without him.

he made clear in an interview last week (Maddow?) that he would support the nominee 100 percent

He'll be accused of that no matter what he does or how enthusiastic his support is. xp

Wait, no, his polling in Michigan is worse than last time... Sorry...

going Joe Biden is like going to 100% treasuries. not an “investment”… but looking for _any_ harbor. that’s where we at. it ain’t my vote but it ain’t on me kiddos.

fwiw in the same article:

Four years ago, the Free Press and EPIC-MRA reported results of a poll the weekend ahead of that year’s Democratic primary that showed Hillary Clinton with a 25-point lead on Sanders, the independent senator from Vermont. It was one of several late-breaking polls that showed the former secretary of state with such a lead, though calling on the Free Press' poll concluded about a week before that election.

Sanders went on to win a narrow 1.4-percentage-point victory in the primary, however, as younger voters, who overwhelmingly supported Sanders, came out in much greater numbers than expected and he ran up large vote totals outside metro Detroit compared with Clinton. It was a signature surprise win for Sanders and one that Nate Silver, the founder of FiveThirtyEight.com, which analyzes statistical and polling data, said could count among “the greatest polling errors in primary history.”

lol buy gold liquor and tobacco and weed

I feel pretty safe in saying it's not gonna happen this time.

Okay, another attempt at a bright side: If Sanders loses as badly as it looks like he will be losing, that makes it harder to paint him as a spoiler!

maybe not. (fight fight fight) xp

stfu fredz

Sanders Did Black Magic To Make Joe Biden Say "Shylock" That One Time, Say Sources

I mean, he eventually endorsed Clinton, but there was a feeling (or probably more accurately, an accusation) he did so reluctantly or half-heartedly. That feels like a million years ago now, though, and for all we know his support *did* help her and she would have done even worse without him.

― Josh in Chicago, Monday, March 9, 2020 12:10 PM (four minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

the whole reluctantly or half-heartedly thing is so fucking dumb. like he wanted to win! i don't think any endorsement is this emotional full-hearted thing, like why the fuck would it be??? and who cares what it *truly means* in their heart, it's a political act and he did it.

Fox News got the idea that Biden is senile from Berniebro twitter accounts (with six followers).

Fred, I don’t dislike you, but there is something really fucking infuriating about someone in Denmark, with Danish healthcare, rooting against the American candidate who wants to provide healthcare to ordinary Americans.

This has never been about Bernie as a person.

I like that (for a specific irritating subset of commentators) Warren staying on way after she had any viable path was just her being a Fierce Queen but Sanders sticking around in a two-person race last time was heretical.

And vice versa

It’s fucking stupid. If warren was the one with a path to the nomination, I would have wanted Bernie to drop out and endorse her. It’s not about these people as individuals, it’s about advancing progressive causes, which are badly and desperately necessary right now in America. They’re not dreams, they’re emergency provisions for securing a decent society

It's a different calculation when your policy goals have another champion sticking around imho but clearly mileages vary xp

This has never been about Bernie as a person.

this true and false just as “ceci n’est pas une pipe”. it’s like, the treachery of images, man.

Bernie is the shape of the Bernie-shaped hole in politics.

And only he can fix it!

I'm fixing a hole

where the Bern gets in

64 is young now.

There's a Bern in daddy's heart where all the money goes,
Jesus Christ died for nothin I suppose.

There is a Bern in everything
That's how the light gets in

It's better to Bern out...

nah, not gonna go there

Treeship I am completely and unironically rooting for Sanders, and you need to calm down

keep calm but actually pay attention to the words, fred, because treesh is right

He is literally wrong. I mean this with all the best wishes, but yesterday he was defending threats against another poster, and today he flips into the red because he misreads what I write. He needs to calm down for his own sake, this board is not worth it

Uh, carry on then, I guess

Treeship I am completely and unironically rooting for Sanders, and you need to calm down

― Frederik B, Monday, March 9, 2020 1:42 PM (thirteen minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Fred, I don’t dislike you, but there is something really fucking infuriating about someone in Denmark, with Danish healthcare, rooting against the American candidate who wants to provide healthcare to ordinary Americans. quoting Taylor Swift.

Gonna be interesting to watch Trump run against Biden from the left on criminal justice issues. https://t.co/qqX62LvQYU

— Doug Henwood (@DougHenwood) March 9, 2020

Saving the usual suspects time: “Doug Henwood is a moron etc etc. etc.”

I would make the argument that maybe, just maybe, someone might not have the exact same opinion about something that they had 50 years ago, but then I look at the posters in the thread...

i promise you i had no opinions 50 years ago

Like Dennis Perrin, my only exposure to Doug Henwood has been on ILX politics threads.

Gonna be a lot of “he had a change of heart” excuses right up until mid-2019 when he finally gave up the Hyde Amendment. A callow young man of 77, people learn!