Is the Guardian worse than it used to be?

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it's almost as if the Graun is deliberately trolling us for clicks

Dunty Reggae party šŸŽ‰ (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:36 (six years ago)

"gaslighting", if you will

Dunty Reggae party šŸŽ‰ (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:36 (six years ago)

in today's priggish, censorious culture would a classic of the canon like If I Did It make it to print?

Dunty Reggae party šŸŽ‰ (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:39 (six years ago)

conflating prudish and homophobic Mary Whitehouse style censorship with a publisher bumping a book by a filthy old nonce is a very dodgy argument.

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:40 (six years ago)

it's just Brendan O'Noes using a nom de plum innit?

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 10:52 (six years ago)

Moore out.

ShariVari, Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:34 (six years ago)

Moore out.

ShariVari, Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:34 (six years ago)

So good you had to say it twice.

This is also real. pic.twitter.com/8jq35GXzdm

— Elvis BuƱuelo (@Mr_Considerate) March 8, 2020

xyzzzz__, Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:40 (six years ago)

People you were surprised and disappointed to find out were still alive

Dunty Reggae party šŸŽ‰ (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:52 (six years ago)

Anyway cheers for the dn Suzanne, sorry that other people's human rights drove you to psychedics

The Psychedic Terfs (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:54 (six years ago)

The Spectator has got your back tho, maybe get a gig with them, your values seem to align

The Psychedic Terfs (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:57 (six years ago)

psydechics with ernie reyes jr tbh

BSC Joan Baez (darraghmac), Sunday, 8 March 2020 15:58 (six years ago)

Dammit that wd've been better

No wait

The Psychedic Terfs (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:01 (six years ago)

There we go

Psychedics with Rosie Swash (Noodle Vague), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:01 (six years ago)

sorry, just off to write a graphic novel about Suzanne's psychedelic terf odyssey

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:02 (six years ago)

nice

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:12 (six years ago)

not just the Spectator that has her back, Irvine Welsh was one of her other apologists last night

calzino, Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:18 (six years ago)

She’ll probably end up there. Saw Alex ā€œPetain was underappreciatedā€ Mass13 sneering out his support for her.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Sunday, 8 March 2020 16:32 (six years ago)

This is not as serious as the shit that usually clogs up this thread, but still!

What, I wondered, was I doing all this for? Was it worth it simply to spend the evening with a couple we didn’t really like, drink insipid wine and make shallow small-talk about other people we don’t really know or want to spend time with?


I have a trivial personal problem and the guardian are going to pay me to write about it, alongside the legitimate concerns and ā€œsection 28: misunderstood?ā€ pieces.

It started with something of an online ā€œcullā€. The ā€œfriendā€ who always tried to make her life look like something out of a Boden catalogue with never-ending perfect images of her children along with the nauseating hashtag #blessed.

ā€œlolā€ (nb this is funny, but pathetic-funny)

i stopped making the effort with the people who leave it to me to initiate every meet-up and nurture friendships that, in the words of Marie Kondo, no longer spark joy. Those who I had to bite my tongue with, who looked at their phone constantly while I was talking to them. Those who cancelled meet-ups one too many times or who I saw out of a sense of obligation and duty rather than want. The friend who said ā€œHave you really?ā€ in an incredulous way after I told her I’d lost weight.

I’m shocked someone like this has friends like this.

Tbh maintaining friendships is hard, and gets more difficult with age, but I’m not sure of the value of this piece when most of us already know this, and certainly if I viewed my most ā€œdifficultā€ friendships as purely transactional I’d have been walking away from people in their hardest times. And vice versa, it goes without saying.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:26 (six years ago)

There appears to be an almost limitless demand for pieces like that, makes me nostalgic for the glory days of Tanya Gold being disinvited from her friend's wedding in the Guardian comments box.

Matt DC, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:50 (six years ago)

The real glory days of Max on holiday

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Monday, 9 March 2020 14:51 (six years ago)

which ilxors no longer spark joy

mark s, Monday, 9 March 2020 14:59 (six years ago)

All goth ILXors iirc.

romanesque architect (pomenitul), Monday, 9 March 2020 15:00 (six years ago)

The friend cull article is insane.

If you actually don't value people, don't make an effort to see them. If you do, then maybe do.

That's about it.

the pinefox, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:50 (six years ago)

pinefox write for the guardian

mark s, Monday, 9 March 2020 16:56 (six years ago)

He can't. Suzanne Moore is still writing for them.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 07:59 (six years ago)

Is that confirmed? I thought her incoherent posts meant they had parted ways.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:11 (six years ago)

yeah I thought she had quit and then spotted her 'not sorry' piece. they really are out to bait.

plax (ico), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:13 (six years ago)

yep, it still says Suzanne Moore is a Guardian columnist under today's piece.

calzino, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:15 (six years ago)

UGH

Read the first sentences and fuck’s sake. Why can these fuckers never stop reducing women to their body parts?! I was raised to think that kind of thing was reductive and at best misogynistic. Like, being female is more than your ability to bleed and breed ffs.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:16 (six years ago)

Like she has literally never got past the self-mythologising and the symbolism and I bet she’s 100% one of those people who used to scoff at people painting with period blood, but now sees that with a fresh respect. I’m sorry, I hate it.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:18 (six years ago)

i would love to live in a world made only of discourse.


This is a fucking joke, isn’t it? She can’t handle any criticism of her behaviour. This piece and her Amsterdam shite are big, embarrassing tantrums.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:23 (six years ago)

i would love to live in a world made only of discourse.

Yeah that is a joke. Promise me to haul me off if I ever start spouting nonsense like this, as I'll probably have lost my mind.

Apart from the very true points you already mae Gyac, what also annoys me about her pieces is that they're lathered with this sense of 'last woman standing' faux courage. She's posturing as some self proclaimed Jeanne d'Arc ffs.

Le Bateau Ivre, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:54 (six years ago)

A Tanya Gold comment piece on the same day, truly our cup runneth over.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 08:58 (six years ago)

Are you talking about the Woody Allen piece, because ā€œhe wasn’t convictedā€ is an argument you’d expect to see on Reddit and not being made in earnest by people being paid for their opinions.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:05 (six years ago)

No, something about the Royals that’s probably completely inoffensive other than that it points to the Guardian commissioning Tanya Gold again.

ShariVari, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:10 (six years ago)

Is Tanya Gold worse than she used to be?

the pinefox, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 09:13 (six years ago)

What the fuck is with sour terfs and their rush to defend Woody Allen? I thought the whole reason they were terfs was because they were always trying to justify their bigotry by saying they were worried about men raping women and children?
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ESvkYt-XQAEZ7uw?format=png&name=large

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:04 (six years ago)

I think a lot of it is linked with controversies regarding the no-platforming of certain views.

xyzzzz__, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 14:10 (six years ago)

ā€œShould small children in poverty be fed?ā€ asks the Guardian. https://t.co/yg3NpmXWmM

— Dawn Foster (@DawnHFoster) March 10, 2020

asking the big questions here so the Taxpayers Alliance don't have to.

calzino, Tuesday, 10 March 2020 16:28 (six years ago)

People are dying you self-centred fool

Just want all colleagues I know personally who signed a letter without naming me but linking me to trans people leaving The Guardian (I never go there ) None of you have the guts to talk to me or defend free expression. You are entitled to disagree with me as I am to name you.

— suzanne moore (@suzanne_moore) March 18, 2020

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:03 (six years ago)

finger on the pulse as always

Li'l Brexit (Tracer Hand), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:10 (six years ago)

Apparently she’s saved ā€˜abusive’ DMs from a colleague she’s allowing her followers to think is OJ.

A good friend of mine is friends with her on FB and he says all her social media acolytes respond to self-pitying status updates with the most sick-making level of arse-kissing he’s ever seen.

santa clause four (suzy), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:49 (six years ago)

Gosh, can’t believe terfs are ok with the bit of casual homophobia. Totally out of character.

gramsci in your surplice (gyac), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 13:57 (six years ago)

As far as I can see, that tweet is illiterate.

This person is a long-standing professional writer.

(Leaving aside, as Gyac says, the utter irrelevance of the complaint at this time of seemingly unprecedented global disaster. Astounding.)

the pinefox, Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:07 (six years ago)

Blame the psychedics

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 14:14 (six years ago)

Psychedelics are supposed to obliterate the ego

plax (ico), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:21 (six years ago)

Some people need bigger doses than others I guess

---------------six feet----------------- (Noodle Vague), Wednesday, 18 March 2020 16:33 (six years ago)


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