2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

The Trump strategy worked because of Republicans' primary rules, tho. It could never have been a winning strategy in the Democratic primary. From the outside it looks like the strategy was basically, a surging tide of young/Latino voters plus Bernie's post-16 base would materialize at the polls and push him to a majority (or at least plurality). Which basically everyone said was a long shot. And everyone could have been wrong! Everyone has been wrong a lot lately. It just turns out probably they weren't.

a surging tide of young/Latino voters plus Bernie's post-16 base would materialize at the polls and push him to a majority

I feel like this did happen in California, which Bernie won.

well now that we’re writing fanfic - sanders’ leftist credentials are well established and he might have been able to spend the last few years being a good party munchkin similar to bush era mccain. he had free wins here - register as a democrat. who knows, maybe everyone sees him as a sellout, surely he loses the morbs vote, maybe warren eats his lunch. but he had ways to frame himself as a team player both before and during the campaign and he didn’t choose that path. he doesn’t have to substantially change his actual platform in this world.

like I said I’m not actually sure the trump-2016 strategy wasn’t actually his best bet, it got him pretty far. until two weeks ago he was gonna show up to the convention with the most delegates and a bunch of bros in suicide vests. but he at no point had a campaign that was going to win majority support.

xps

and like, the nature of long shots is, they might not work out. but a long shot was all he ever had the option of taking, and up until the amy/pete drops, it looked like a long shot that might actually work out.

Attending to details is what the staff is for!
all the other people who've dropped out had campaign organizations IIRC
Lots of vivid Warren fan fiction itt

Damn! Delegating some personal assistant of hers to call up dozens of her loyal, state-level campaign workers to thank them for putting in so many long hours on her behalf would be some ice cold shit if you ask me. But, thank god, you set me straight and I'll just have to face up to the truth.

All the Warren ppl in my tl are breaking for Bernie, including multiple ppl who worked for her campaign, and I personally have not seen the "I like Liz because she makes me feel fuzzy but I can't vote for that nasty man because of his nasty supporters" drama that I keep seeing referenced.

in orbit otm

is it good for her reputation as a politician to endorse a dying campaign

Eight days ago Biden's was the dying campaign, then a neolib war criminal made a couple calls

he had free wins here - register as a democrat

you're an ill-informed self-anointed pundit shitburger

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/03/05/sen-bernie-sanders-signs-pledge-declaring-democrat-2020/3074461002/

ive voted for a lot of fucking Democrats, asshole

and i'll be voting for another on April 28

"I am a member of the Democratic Party," the document signed by Sanders reads. "I will run a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected."

No damage endorsing a loser could ever remotely compare to eating shit in your home state directly following a Hail Mary move where you reversed course on a foundational principle of yr campaign

yeah don’t think his begrudging mandatory pledge is the same thing as being a team player on the team he wants to captain

anyway gj for occasionally pulling a two way lever in the right direction instead of yelling at it

xp

a bunch of bros in suicide vests

Maybe she gets the VP nom, they win and she gets to cast the deciding vote on Biden’s bargain with the GOP to reestablish debtors prisons.

you forgot the mic drop

xp whoa dude. don't you have a gun collection to clean and polish or something?

I also think the “I hate Bernie because of his supporters” thing is likely exaggerated. People often look for post hoc justifications of their politics, their gut feelings about someone, or whatever motivates their vote. I think a majority of those “but the bros!” people are concern trolling.

iatee is writing for him

CNN reports:

Former Vice President Joe Biden said Friday that his campaign raised $22 million in just five days following a remarkable comeback in the Democratic primary, nearly matching the same amount he raised in the last three months of 2019.

Biden — in a phone call to supporters at a Bethesda, Maryland, fundraiser — also warned against negativity that could come from what he referred to as “Bernie brothers,” saying that the primary cannot become a “negative bloodbath.”

let's do the bloodbath

The filing documents show $2700 donations from 90k extended relatives of Mike Bloomberg.

Eight days ago Biden's was the dying campaign, then a neolib war criminal made a couple calls

this is what makes most of the armchair quarterbacking itt this week so bonkers

That Biden warning makes me wanna go full-on BernieBro mode, I am that fucking immature

I know I'm treading old ground here but I fuckin hate Joe Biden.

The Onion and doddering failure until recently made it easier to forget that he’s been a cruel and vicious lizard for decades.

Nicely put, srsly

Lol sarahell

Xps

there is nothing baffling about not wanting to tie yourself to a sinking ship. is it good for her reputation as a politician to endorse a dying campaign and for that endorsement to have no effect? like you guys seem to have absolutely no capability to put yourself out of the mind-frame of 'the only thing that matters in american politics is bernie sanders winning the democratic nomination'.

if biden and sanders were tied and she had the ability to be kingmaker, this would be a very different discussion. but in this world it's just another way for you to avoid putting any accountability on sanders for losing.

― iatee, Saturday, March 7, 2020 3:40 PM (four hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

This is pretty much the same conclusion I came to when I was thinking about this earlier today. I don't necessarily think she is planning as far ahead as 2024, but keeping her options open now may give her more influence in the party down the line (say, in a potential Biden administration).

Yeah, she's in a different position than Buttigieg and Klobuchar. Their maximum leverage was before Super Tuesday, because they both knew they were going to have to drop out afterward. They both got whatever they could from the Biden and party people, while their endorsements would still mean something. But Warren has already dropped out, so she has no leverage over anything by dangling it -- which, if she was really going to be manipulative or cunning or whatever, she totally could have. "I'll drop out if you xyz." But as far as we know, there was none of that, she just did her own math and quit. So I suppose she's figuring out what she actually wants out of all this -- personally or policy-wise or whatever -- and then she'll do her own math again.

But regardless, I seriously hope she does not run again or even make noises about it. I was on her side, but this was her best shot.

I know I'm treading old ground here but I fuckin hate Joe Biden.

My cousin's wife had the honor of making the first "you may hate Biden, but think of the Supreme Court" FB post I've seen in 2020. One of her friends replied, "How could anybody hate Joe Biden?"

btw "you may hate *****, but think of the Supreme Court" has replaced "Happy Days Are Here Again" as the Democratic Party anthem

most ppl i know like him including a number of republicans but most ppl's concern seems to be mental acuity & if the democratic party can cyrano de bergerac him into the wh somehow i'm sure biden will sign whatever legislation pelosi can manage to send to him

oh, Pelosi's gonna be back as Speaker, eh? til she's 90, maybe? Christ, I wish I had money to send to her primary opponent.

we can always hope she'll step aside for Jayapal next year.

The silver lining of Shithead's second term.

Biden will pick Mondale for veep, right?

I, personally, am hoping he picks the Northeast Regional

xp silby, I think you've mentioned Jayapal before as a possible Pelosi replacement. Is there reason to think that she's interested in or has the support for the speakership?

She is cochair of the Congressional Progressive Caucus, lead arm-twister on Medicare for All in the House, likely to keep her seat for decades if she wants it, an effective and diplomatic interface between the CPC and the present house leadership, and can’t run for President as a naturalized citizen. And if the generation between her and Pelosi has a standout leader I haven’t heard of them. But I admit I hear about Jayapal more than most bc she’s my rep lol

I don’t think she’d be so bold as to start mooting her own name for the gavel without Pelosi announcing her intention to step aside but she’s made the most of her first two terms and I get the sense she has at least something of a national profile, by the standards of House members

Yes, I'm aware of her and like her! She was interviewed on Pod Save America last summer lol.

quick question, do ye spell dennis one n or two

what is the difference between life and this thread?

life doesn't go on forever.

Mark Pocan, the other co-chair of the Progressive Caucus, is 55 and would be a superb Speaker.

Maybe they’ll Rock Paper Scissors for it

Nothing to see here pic.twitter.com/Qyu7S5XaFA

— Benjamin Dixon (@BenjaminPDixon) March 7, 2020

Warren was on SNL

so still kiiiind of a Republican

...because she was on SNL??

yes everyone who is on snl is a republican

This made me look up Victoria Jackson to see if she was still out there Trumpin' it up and yep

Bernie’s been on SNL

That's (legitimately) disappointing (as a matter of taste).

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/dallas-county-asks-to-recount-super-tuesday-election-results-after-44-thumb-drives-discovered/ar-BB10SAMK?ocid=st2

We are the dumbest country on Earth, it's a miracle we've never accidentally nuked the Florida Keys.