2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

her path to victory was a brokered convention, which was also sanders' realistic path to victory

anyway her endorsement already doesn't matter at all, unless she endorses biden just to help wrap this up faster

all the focus on this thing that very much doesn't matter is some weird form of denial to avoid accepting what happened in the last week

xp

Warren and Bernie uniting enthusiastically absolutely could and would make a difference

Again it's not just about math, it's morale and The Narrative

Also, the Biden ppl endorsed immediately upon exiting for the most part

well you guys get to help control The Narrative, will sanders fold up his campaign w/ less of a tantrum than he did 4 years ago, or will you spend the next few months blaming his campaign failures on a woman who credibly believed she would make a better president than he would

the biden people endorsed the guy who was gonna win, which is an easy decision

It may not have been enough to make a material difference in the final outcome, it would have been enough to make some difference... and instead she accomplished nothing by staying in.

I do not blame Warren for anything, I just find her decisionmaking frequently baffling

will sanders fold up his campaign w/ less of a tantrum than he did 4 years ago

Guaranteed that people like you will be blaming Bernie if/when Biden loses in the general, so why bother?

Hey come on guys, throw in a deep cut or something

I recently learned the green party were going to stand down if bernie got the nom

That's actually been the hardest ceiling to break, people whose brains were broken by 2016 and have never forgiven Bernie for forcing Clinton to hire Robby Mook and stopping her from campaigning in Wisconsin and Michigan.

Ok better but I prefer your more obscure stuff

Last I saw the Greens said they were going to run even if Bernie was the nominee and were adamant about it.

Seems like they're openly flaunting Russian 'help' this time.

Lmao

Ok peacing out this set just isn't for me, catch y'all at next gig

I do not blame Warren for anything, I just find her decisionmaking frequently baffling

there is nothing baffling about not wanting to tie yourself to a sinking ship. is it good for her reputation as a politician to endorse a dying campaign and for that endorsement to have no effect? like you guys seem to have absolutely no capability to put yourself out of the mind-frame of 'the only thing that matters in american politics is bernie sanders winning the democratic nomination'.

if biden and sanders were tied and she had the ability to be kingmaker, this would be a very different discussion. but in this world it's just another way for you to avoid putting any accountability on sanders for losing.

wow you're really high on being part of the winning team today, huh

ya it's great

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/03/01/11/joe-biden-south-carolina-primary-win-speech.jpg

god i'm so glad that all our worries about accountability for losing have been put behind us

What dire consequence would she face by endorsing a (probably) losing candidate with a platform even her people have always said is virtually identical? She's already old! This was probably her only shot.

yes, who could imagine a 74 year old running for president

This is so much reminding me of my spouse and his colleague discussing another colleague who was accused by two women of sexual harassment and was being investigated. They were focusing on how the women reacted afterwards, because one didn't want to pursue it and just wanted to be transferred and the other woman hadn't directly reported it first, it was another person. So you know, if made their job so much harder to punish the colleague (despite them both being like, yeah, he's totally like that).

I was so baffled about their analytical process. I was so done. Like, it's great that men have finally been forced to maybe become aware of a huge problem in the last 2 years but women have had to live lifetimes of it, working around the problems and reacting in the best way they know without causing what they see as more self inflected harm. We can't ignore human nature in a damaging reality we help maintain.

I am completely fine with Warren taking whatever time she wants to deal with the current state of her own career and goals. She's smart and older and probably over all this shit like everyone else.

A 74 year old woman who came 3rd in her home state, sounds like a winner

The 16D chess of not endorsing because Biden will lose and she can run in 2024.

That would honestly be the most defensible reason for keeping quiet, at least it makes some mercenary sense

That would honestly be the most defensible reason for keeping quiet, at least it makes some mercenary sense

Maybe she is busy attending to the multitude of details required when you are shutting down a hundred-million dollar national campaign with offices and paid staff in 50 states and several territories, plus dealing with the exhaustion of running flat out for over a year and suddenly stopping, and maybe a few emotional consequences as a result. And this is eating into her available time and attention for thinking deeply about Bernie. But this is a weak defense, I realize, compared to what you are calling mercenary reasons.

Attending to details is what the staff is for!

all the other people who've dropped out had campaign organizations IIRC

Lots of vivid Warren fan fiction itt

Credit where credit's due, there have been zero Harry Potter memes

Now that we’re free to speak our minds, I want to say that I’m really impressed by Pete Buttigieg’s commitment to absolutely nothing.

— Max Berger (@maxberger) March 7, 2020

drag him!!

Warren staffers really seemed to hate Petey Butts.

I would never be so cynical as to suggest that it might have been driven by their competition for the votes of rich white people.

You misspelled "Bloomberg"

The by now almost 12-hour posting stamina of some of y'all impresses me.

It's amazing how thoroughly Pete has retreated from my mind, I barely remember his voice other than a faint memory of the Obama attempt

My six month old niece is a shit conversationalist tbf xp

idk I don't see a lot of sanders supporters openly admitting that their campaign has made mistakes, and while I agree that there's plenty of finger pointing from the warren camp, there's also been a decent amount of talk about the mistakes that were made. maybe the bros are all sitting on their hands waiting until the body is officially declared dead, but I kinda doubt it. and I mean, sanders went from winning with 35% of the vote to losing with 35% of the vote - I think there's a good argument that the campaign actually had a fairly cohesive strategy (trump 2016), just one that was dependent on forces outside of its control.

― iatee, Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:54 PM (three hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

I think your last sentence is really the best explanation, though similarities to trump are few and artificial: media narrative, supporter enthusiasm, and a substantial but ultimately static base of support. I am disappointed that we e reached this point but I am not sure I can think of many “mistakes” the campaign has made. your earlier point about progressives and south carolina was a good one too. I suppose he could have not run on his platform, but then why run?

I'll out myself as a warren to biden voter. I suspect it won't matter at all by the time new york votes.

― iatee, Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:49 PM (two hours ago) bookmarkflaglink

bernie made church street in burlington pedestrian-only. biden seems like the kind of guy who has a car collection

The Trump strategy worked because of Republicans' primary rules, tho. It could never have been a winning strategy in the Democratic primary. From the outside it looks like the strategy was basically, a surging tide of young/Latino voters plus Bernie's post-16 base would materialize at the polls and push him to a majority (or at least plurality). Which basically everyone said was a long shot. And everyone could have been wrong! Everyone has been wrong a lot lately. It just turns out probably they weren't.

a surging tide of young/Latino voters plus Bernie's post-16 base would materialize at the polls and push him to a majority

I feel like this did happen in California, which Bernie won.

well now that we’re writing fanfic - sanders’ leftist credentials are well established and he might have been able to spend the last few years being a good party munchkin similar to bush era mccain. he had free wins here - register as a democrat. who knows, maybe everyone sees him as a sellout, surely he loses the morbs vote, maybe warren eats his lunch. but he had ways to frame himself as a team player both before and during the campaign and he didn’t choose that path. he doesn’t have to substantially change his actual platform in this world.

like I said I’m not actually sure the trump-2016 strategy wasn’t actually his best bet, it got him pretty far. until two weeks ago he was gonna show up to the convention with the most delegates and a bunch of bros in suicide vests. but he at no point had a campaign that was going to win majority support.

xps

and like, the nature of long shots is, they might not work out. but a long shot was all he ever had the option of taking, and up until the amy/pete drops, it looked like a long shot that might actually work out.

Attending to details is what the staff is for!
all the other people who've dropped out had campaign organizations IIRC
Lots of vivid Warren fan fiction itt

Damn! Delegating some personal assistant of hers to call up dozens of her loyal, state-level campaign workers to thank them for putting in so many long hours on her behalf would be some ice cold shit if you ask me. But, thank god, you set me straight and I'll just have to face up to the truth.

All the Warren ppl in my tl are breaking for Bernie, including multiple ppl who worked for her campaign, and I personally have not seen the "I like Liz because she makes me feel fuzzy but I can't vote for that nasty man because of his nasty supporters" drama that I keep seeing referenced.

in orbit otm

is it good for her reputation as a politician to endorse a dying campaign

Eight days ago Biden's was the dying campaign, then a neolib war criminal made a couple calls

he had free wins here - register as a democrat

you're an ill-informed self-anointed pundit shitburger

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/elections/2019/03/05/sen-bernie-sanders-signs-pledge-declaring-democrat-2020/3074461002/

ive voted for a lot of fucking Democrats, asshole

and i'll be voting for another on April 28

"I am a member of the Democratic Party," the document signed by Sanders reads. "I will run a Democrat, accept the nomination of my Party, and I will serve as a Democrat if elected."

No damage endorsing a loser could ever remotely compare to eating shit in your home state directly following a Hail Mary move where you reversed course on a foundational principle of yr campaign