2020 Democratic presidential primary thread, pt 3: life is very long

has bitecofer made a judgement whether bernie is more electable than biden? I'd think they'd get the same number of negative polarization voters, and bernie would inspire non-voters and young voters at a much better rate

biden is such a perfect attack target, the trump campaign can spend all their cash showing how fake his workingman populist image is, along with the three other flavors of bullshit they'll throw at him

the non-voter and youth theory has been disproven by the fact that it...didn't happen

biden is uh totally gonna be a drag downticket. but i get that red state democratic pols don't think so

I feel like people itt are engaging more with the primaries than the candidates are.

don't think primary electorates and general election electorates are the same

I am not an American but Biden seems like a boring/bad candidate even among the moderate Dems. I watched one of the debates and he could barely make a coherent sentence. He'd start a sentence tackling the question asked, then switch abruptly to one of his talking points that says nothing.

https://www.vox.com/2019/4/26/18516645/2018-midterms-voter-turnout-census

Primaries are not the best test to 'disprove' anything about turnout.

We'll see in November! I mean, I might be worried that Bernie almost doubled up on Latinx voters nationally since they're a larger voting bloc than African-Americans and more likely to switch to a Republican.

like until recently 'sanders can make a bunch of young voters and non-voters appear out of nowhere' theory was at least plausible, at this point it's been pretty well tested. it didn't happen. he called for a revolution, nobody showed up. if they're waiting for the general maybe he should have given them better instructions about how this stuff works.

The correct formulation, I'd say, is that youth and non-voter turnout (and turnout among POC) may not "win" elections but it can lose them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5epuPMf-7Y

Warren die hards who can hop to Biden never cared about politics (or even identity), Warren’s existence flatters their self image, much like Obama’s genius and Hillary’s “MOST qualified EVER” status.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Saturday, March 7, 2020 2:42 PM (forty minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

I don't know if you actually think this is true, or this is some weird trolling tactic, but either way it's rude and mansplainy and a prime example of how Sanders supporters chase away his potential allies.

the articles i've seen so far about youth turnout in the primary seems pretty misleading because it's all based on proportions of voters rather than absolute numbers.

https://www.filmsforaction.org/articles/bernie-sanders-and-the-myth-of-low-youth-turnout-in-the-democratic-primary/

"Warren die hards" isn't a synonym for women - as evidenced by, say, ILX Liz Lads - it is a synonym for 'mostly wealthier white people.'

It’s “the primaries thing” you fucking idiot
― Garu you just posted flange (wins), Saturday, March 7, 2020 1:40 PM bookmarkflaglink

Lol!

the absolute numbers are all that matters though. whether that number is low because they have low turnout or because 18-29 year olds don't make up enough of the population to meaningfully throw their weight around at the polls doesn't change the results.

and while sanders might have been extremely popular with 20 year olds, he was deeply unpopular with the voters who do show up reliably.

I really hate the thing that articles do now where if something is written in bold it must be a very important fact

I honestly didn't see a whole bunch in that article that actually backs up the claims

rude and mansplainy and a prime example of how Sanders supporters chase away his potential allies

Can a mod just autoreplace all milo politics posts w this plz

Frankie Baby!

I been mansplainy baby
Ever since the day we met

If nothing else these threads have proven definitively that no candidate has a monopoly on annoying suppirters

the fact that that biden kinda sucks

Biden absolutely sucks, and his brain was poisoned to uselessness by banks and an imaginary version of bipartisanship even when it still worked

Well, when will the world not be on fire?

If Biden gets the nomination, never.

Berniebros might consider that the reason he’s losing is his supporters are all too happy to alienate constituencies that are critical to Dems winning elections

Which supporters are alienating which constituencies?

Hope the civility fetishists like losing to Trump again

It really is nice that everyone opposed to Sanders is so civil

The people I hear from who are mourning the Warren campaign have a few more concerns. They speak of how all women candidates have been treated and how it resonates with things they see in their own lives. Talked over, shouted down, passed over, ignored

Which other candidates have done more to praise the past record and recent campaigning of Elisabeth Warren than Bernie Sanders?

ok, is Warren's silence doing this? Bernie went all out for Clinton, why can't Warren do the minimum?

it's been TWO DAYS. I personally think she should have been prepared for dropping out and pledging an allegiance (and still wish for her to be Sanders' Treasury Secretary or Minister Of Antitrust if not VP/Treasury) but it has only been TWO DAYS since she dropped out, after 371 days of running.

A deep cut for the moral superiority heads... "Anne Hathaway"

I’m sorry but it’s terribly rich for anyone itt to be talking about mansplaining when the thread diverted into a bunch of “if I had a daughter/my daughter/I don’t have a daughter” comparisons. Either accept that you don’t speak for all women or just leave out the accusations? I wouldn’t even do that, all I am ever presenting is my individual perspective, but it is wild af how the above is completely passable.

"it's been TWO DAYS"

She's had no plausible path to victory considerably longer than that. And if she waits much longer her endorsement won't matter at all.

The Vietnam doc is 17 hours so that might fill some of that quality time this weekend instead of restating the same things here over and over.

milo’s posts are better than shakey’s and sic’s and gyac’s are the best

#JusticeForMilo

her path to victory was a brokered convention, which was also sanders' realistic path to victory

anyway her endorsement already doesn't matter at all, unless she endorses biden just to help wrap this up faster

all the focus on this thing that very much doesn't matter is some weird form of denial to avoid accepting what happened in the last week

xp

Warren and Bernie uniting enthusiastically absolutely could and would make a difference

Again it's not just about math, it's morale and The Narrative

Also, the Biden ppl endorsed immediately upon exiting for the most part

well you guys get to help control The Narrative, will sanders fold up his campaign w/ less of a tantrum than he did 4 years ago, or will you spend the next few months blaming his campaign failures on a woman who credibly believed she would make a better president than he would

the biden people endorsed the guy who was gonna win, which is an easy decision

It may not have been enough to make a material difference in the final outcome, it would have been enough to make some difference... and instead she accomplished nothing by staying in.

I do not blame Warren for anything, I just find her decisionmaking frequently baffling

will sanders fold up his campaign w/ less of a tantrum than he did 4 years ago

Guaranteed that people like you will be blaming Bernie if/when Biden loses in the general, so why bother?

Hey come on guys, throw in a deep cut or something

I recently learned the green party were going to stand down if bernie got the nom

That's actually been the hardest ceiling to break, people whose brains were broken by 2016 and have never forgiven Bernie for forcing Clinton to hire Robby Mook and stopping her from campaigning in Wisconsin and Michigan.

Ok better but I prefer your more obscure stuff

Last I saw the Greens said they were going to run even if Bernie was the nominee and were adamant about it.

Seems like they're openly flaunting Russian 'help' this time.

Lmao

Ok peacing out this set just isn't for me, catch y'all at next gig

I do not blame Warren for anything, I just find her decisionmaking frequently baffling

there is nothing baffling about not wanting to tie yourself to a sinking ship. is it good for her reputation as a politician to endorse a dying campaign and for that endorsement to have no effect? like you guys seem to have absolutely no capability to put yourself out of the mind-frame of 'the only thing that matters in american politics is bernie sanders winning the democratic nomination'.

if biden and sanders were tied and she had the ability to be kingmaker, this would be a very different discussion. but in this world it's just another way for you to avoid putting any accountability on sanders for losing.

wow you're really high on being part of the winning team today, huh

ya it's great

https://static.independent.co.uk/s3fs-public/thumbnails/image/2020/03/01/11/joe-biden-south-carolina-primary-win-speech.jpg

god i'm so glad that all our worries about accountability for losing have been put behind us

What dire consequence would she face by endorsing a (probably) losing candidate with a platform even her people have always said is virtually identical? She's already old! This was probably her only shot.