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Doctor King?

Apart from Dr Martin Luther Mengele of course

Doctors all tend to be covert eugenics true believers despite whatever charidee work they do or however much they keep it quiet. And Tories imo.

I once saw one of my son's doctors sit on his own glasses and completely crush them, I didn't say anything but was internally chuckling and then when the arrogant cunt noticed he'd knackered them he tried to blame my son. I've never met a decent doctor in my whole fucking life .. I swear

Whats this Rudd thing? She was disinvited from Oxford? What was the reason?

yep and at the last minute I think, which is very rude!

Yes but what was the reason behind it?

Might have something to do with her deporting all those people?

I presume it was because of her role in Hostile Environment, although she is of course the real victim here.

some people argue that it is the office or the job that is bad, not the person holding the office. I think that idea is utter bullshit.

If you’re talking about Home Secretaries, the two are largely inseparable? Who’s the last one not to have been at least crypto-fascist?

just generalising, for example I could be talking about someone in top DPP job as well.

But none of these make any sense! They were all true when she was invited? If these are the reasons why invite in the first place?

xxp
probably someone from the old labour right, jenkins? he was a bit dodgy but was behind Race Relations Act.

Oxford is committed to freedom of speech & opposes no-platforming. We will be taking steps to ensure that this situation doesn't happen in future.

it won't happen again apparently

Jenkins decriminalised homosexuality as well, didn’t he?

I am looking forward to making my keynote speech at Magdalen now that oxford university is completely opposed to no-platforming

so glad to finally have this platform that I am inherently entitled to

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yeah to backdrop of a slowly receding conservative warfare state of the 50's that was quite a radical reform at the time, despite all the swinging London cliches it was a very conservative era. Well that was something posited in a book I read last year.

The culture within the Home Office as an institution is definitely under-discussed IMO. People talk a lot about the Treasury has having a particular institutional mindset regardless of who's in Number 11 but the same thing is clearly happening at the Home Office. It needs to be broken up IMO.

This isn't to absolve individual Home Secretaries for one minute but remember that Amber Rudd's main function during the Windrush scandal was to stand there and take all the flak while letting the real architect of the Hostile Environment, Theresa May, off the hook.

Obviously she's vile and shouldn't be allowed to launder her reputation but I can't help but feel that being faced with an embarrassing and humiliating disruptive protest might have been better than a No Platforming that had allowed her and the usual parade of cunts to take the moral high ground yet again.

some people argue that it is the office or the job that is bad, not the person holding the office. I think that idea is utter bullshit.

I don't understand the rationale for inviting and then disinviting. Its not like some new things came to light between these two events.

Not to get all freezpeech but I'm dubious on the merits of disinviting people. Not that every single balloon is entitled to a platform but there was sufficient interest to put it on in the first place. Is what she says so dangerous we can't expose Oxford students to it in case they succumb?

The problem with this is by avoiding right wingers people aren't getting proper experience in how to defeat them effectively. They're deplatformed everywhere else then they get on the BBC with their honed game and the response to it is largely awful by unprepared people. Spluttering and "surely you cant mean" outrage that just doesn't work.

Most of these people LOVE being deplatformed, all the benefits with none of the work. And then they own all of the media and platform themselves talking about how they've been deplatformed

Going by the official statement there is obv some conflict between the University administration and the student associations or whatever, it obv wasn't the same people inviting and disinviting.

The invitation-disinvitation thing seems pretty obviously about miscommunication to me - someone thought it'd be a good idea to invite, others hear about it and go "HELL NO", invite already extended - students in being bad at organisation shockah.

The problem with this is by avoiding right wingers people aren't getting proper experience in how to defeat them effectively.

They missed a vital shot at asking Rudd questions about her position and getting to post on forums about what her brain worms are like?

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Jenkins decriminalised homosexuality as well, didn’t he?

Legalization of abortion, ending of censorship in the theatre, Race Relations Act, abolition of the use of flogging in prisons (!!!!), introduction of release under licence, easier bail, suspended sentences and earlier parole... some of these were carried out under Callaghan.

Immigration was a divisive and provocative issue during the late 1960s and on 23 May 1966 Jenkins delivered a speech on race relations, which is widely considered to be one of his best.[58] Addressing a London meeting of the National Committee for Commonwealth Immigrants he notably defined Integration:

... not as a flattening process of assimilation but as equal opportunity, accompanied by cultural diversity, in an atmosphere of mutual tolerance.

Before going on to ask:

Where in the world is there a university which could preserve its fame, or a cultural centre which could keep its eminence, or a metropolis which could hold its drawing power, if it were to turn inwards and serve only its own hinterland and its own racial group?

And concluding that:

To live apart, for a person, a city, a country, is to lead a life of declining intellectual stimulation.[58]

... mind you, he did try to keep out Kenyan Asians.

"abolition of the use of flogging in prisons"

gor blimey! no wonder it's all gone to 'ell in a handcart!

I mean, how fucked up was the UK before Labour got in the 60s?

A quick trip (via bridge or tunnel) to Northern Ireland will give you some flavour though.

I agree that most of these people love being deplatformed, Rudd's complaint seems to be that it happened at the last minute but the deplatforming creates a situation where thousands of people who wouldn't previously have noticed or cared whether Amber Rudd was speaking at the Oxford Union suddenly feel the need to have a strident opinion on it, and any old fash suddenly feels like they have a divine right to a platform that 0.0000000000001% of people have access to at the best of times. Just don't invite them in the first place or let them take their place in the stocks. At the end of the day a good old milkshaking might have been better.

Ultimately if these tactics actually worked then we wouldn't be in the situation we are now.

If they love a deplatforming they love a milkshaking too - either can be used to play the victim on social media. From that pov the only viable course of action would be to let them speak and just hope no one's interested - ignore the trolls, basically, and we all know that doesn't work.

Good piece ahead of the budget:

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2020/mar/07/boris-johnson-thatcher-conservative-economic-policy-thatcherism

At this stage I'd be quite surprised if there were any major spending announcements in the Budget beyond some expedient stuff about infrastructure and emergency healthcare/vaccinations. They might choose to splash money everywhere in the autumn though - they have to give the impression of a suddenly roaring tiger of an economy after all.

In any case it's less an issue of it being easier for the right to move left on economics and more that its easier for the right to borrow with impunity. Look at the state of the stock market right now, gilts are one of the safest places to put money in a crisis.

re: autumn surely it will depend on how Brexit/economy is going, and whether the Coronavirus has been contained.

So it could end up as a kind of emergency budget.

lol twitter word is spreading that Bercow has endorsed Bernie? Can't find a source tho.

I assume referring to this

Interesting! Former Speaker of the House of Commons, John Bercow, has endorsed @BernieSanders for President of the United States.@adamhillscomedy, meanwhile, has his money on something else 😆 #TheLastLeg #FeelTheBern #USElection pic.twitter.com/G2VmCOj13P

— ✍️ Rachel McArthur (@raychdigitalink) March 7, 2020

re: autumn surely it will depend on how Brexit/economy is going, and whether the Coronavirus has been contained.

So it could end up as a kind of emergency budget.

In the event of some of the more dramatic predictions coming true (eg major cities on lockdown) it's unconcieveable that the economy will be able to function normally at all. Even if we're through the worst by the autumn then there will need to be a gigantic fiscal stimulus for the country to get back on its feet at all.

Once again, the government will be able to get away with doing this in a way that even a right-wing Labour government wouldn't. Investors will be positively desperate to buy government bonds as well, if they aren't already. If they're sensible, Labour won't try and make political capital out of increased borrowing at the time it happens, because they can use it to reframe the debate later.

One major thing is that - even if the UK escapes the worse - the country will have had first-hand experience of what happens to an advanced economy when global supply chains are heavily disrupted, and it won't be pretty. This will make it much harder for Johnson to get away with the kind of No Deal brinksmanship that is currently the main - and perhaps only - negotiating tool, no one will have the appetite for a second bout of empty supermarket shelves and dormant factories.

just off to Aldi, wish me luck

If they're sensible, Labour won't try and make political capital out of increased borrowing at the time it happens, because they can use it to reframe the debate later.

important memo to Yvette Cooper and pals, ironically it is the ones that see themselves as sensible who will be more likely to attack them from a fiscally right position.

Even without a major crisis in the UK, so many export/retail businesses have bet big on China for revenue I think a fiscal stimulus is almost inevitable.

That’s before you get to the towns that rely on foreign students to keep alive.

I thought it was supposed to be Corbynism that was going to turn this country "another Venezuela" not the bloomin' lurgy and an inert tory govt.

Of course, they now have coronavirus to use as a reason for everything that's going to go wrong until the next election - and probably beyond.

great pic, real people in local newspaper vibe

sorry but amber rudd and the (now former) president of oxford UN women standing in an empty lecture hall is the funniest thing I’ve ever seen pic.twitter.com/kbdGJOEOYQ

— rose 🦇 (@roselyddon) March 7, 2020

would not listen to that collaboration

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/newpix/2018/04/16/08/4B34AD6800000578-5620081-image-a-1_1523863117360.jpg

strong disappointed couple not served meat pies before 9.30 am at Morrisons vibes!

remember when Jeremy Corbyn did this and we had two weeks of investigations into how there may or may not have been a seat? yeah me neither https://t.co/PybniF1mSc

— mimi🏴🚩 (@ameliamcd_) March 6, 2020

me walking past my tory neighbours when i get coronavirus pic.twitter.com/FveWUz5a5d

— ryan 🚩 (@ryxnf) March 7, 2020

strong disappointed couple not served meat pies before 9.30 am at Morrisons vibes!

I think I have that Fairport Convention album