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Wooooow I didn't realize that the deal was done ages ago and the PHYSICAL BOOKS are probably already printed and *in a warehouse* somewhere and are now going to have to be scrapped. I worked at Hachette for 10 years and I worked on some projects with levels of secrecy (Twilight related, mostly), and this whole thing had to involve A LOT OF PEOPLE from the publisher down to the pressmen. Fucking a.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:24 (four years ago) link

I've always enjoyed "pulping" as a term of art

college bong rip guy (silby), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:25 (four years ago) link

It's just so amazingly...STUPID. How do all the people who need to approve something like this make a mistake of this magnitude and not realize it's a moral and PR NIGHTMARE?

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:31 (four years ago) link

oh they realized that's why they kept it secret

college bong rip guy (silby), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:32 (four years ago) link

they must've been like "this sucks and we'll take flack for it but maybe we'll make lots of money anyway!"

college bong rip guy (silby), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:33 (four years ago) link

Yes, the secrecy PROVES THE POINT!! It's incredible. I haven't worked there for a while so idk what's going on but I can only imagine that a LOT of pressure must have been applied somewhere to overcome the better judgement of at least some of the top level staff who would have needed to be in on this.

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 6 March 2020 20:40 (four years ago) link

countdown to Jeffrey Wells 'Khmer Rouge wokester' post in 5 4 3 2 1

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:18 (four years ago) link

fwiw i understand the PR necessities

i remain agnostic on Allen's guilt and am a fan of his work, but if there is new evidence i'll listen (don't at me)

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:20 (four years ago) link

and here it is as predicted

http://hollywood-elsewhere.com/2020/03/victory-for-obstinate-wokester-bullies/

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:21 (four years ago) link

also io, can u get me a job at h4ch3tte?

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:26 (four years ago) link

They weren't too happy with me when I left there and that was like 7+ years ago, so I doubt it. :(((((

There's more Italy than necessary. (in orbit), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:28 (four years ago) link

an Associate Vice President or three is about to be fired so you might find an opening xp

college bong rip guy (silby), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:29 (four years ago) link

im not that seniorish

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:45 (four years ago) link

i actually applied online for a job there last month *crickets*

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Friday, 6 March 2020 21:46 (four years ago) link

I am undecided about all of this. It would have been better to have knowledge about what's in the book before judging the deal, but I also understand why that's not possible. He may have admitted to some things in the book, or, more likely, he may have lied about his past to further his career.

I thought his writings in the New Yorker in the early 2000s were garbage.

wasdnuos (abanana), Friday, 6 March 2020 23:56 (four years ago) link

he may have lied about his past to further his career.

How do you further your career at 84, when none of your remaining films will be released in America?

Didn't read any 21st century pieces, but his first two collections of humor pieces are good (c 1968-73), as is the later story "The Kugelmass Episode."

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:22 (four years ago) link

also none of this week's brouhaha has to do with what might/could be in the book. nuthin'.

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:24 (four years ago) link

he probably wanted the advance so he could provide for his daughter wife

college bong rip guy (silby), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:24 (four years ago) link

"The Kugelmass Episode" is a masterpiece. I read it in a short story anthology in the early '90s.

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:26 (four years ago) link

whah ha ha, my sides xp

srsly he's a creep, but they've been married for 23 years

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 05:28 (four years ago) link

23 years of . . . really something

mookieproof, Saturday, 7 March 2020 06:03 (four years ago) link

plus 5 years before marriage

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Saturday, 7 March 2020 06:37 (four years ago) link

I've not seen many of his C21st films, but went to Midnight In Paris with a longtime friend who, like me, had once been a bigger fan. Half an hour in I turned to her and whispered "omg did you know this was a Kugelmass Episode riff?" and she nodded gleefully

Fantastic. Great move. Well done (sic), Saturday, 7 March 2020 07:03 (four years ago) link

two weeks pass...

When Woody is now basically claiming Mia Farrow molested Ronan, I feel fine calling him a pedophile rapist forever from here on.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 11:03 (four years ago) link

Never Believe Men

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 12:41 (four years ago) link

A guy I know interviewed the woman who picked up the book.

“It was really about freedom of speech,” Seaver told JI. “The idea that a corporation or a powerful, wonderful publishing house would simply drop a world-known, great artist because they don’t agree with whatever. It just was unacceptable to me.”

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:03 (four years ago) link

'great artist'... Can't be beastly to the great artists, no? We need to here their unfounded accusations that their ex-girlfriend molested their kid. Think of the artists!

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 13:57 (four years ago) link

In his book, does Woody Allen explain how he has been unable to direct an even halfway decent movie for a quarter century now? Because if he does, then I'll give it a read.

coronoshebettadontvirus (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:19 (four years ago) link

Those awful censorious publishers who won't publish my short story collection are violating the First Amendment!

TikTok to the (Alfred, Lord Sotosyn), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:21 (four years ago) link

It's so insane that this was supposed to come out with the publisher that publishes Ronan Farrow. The book claims his mother molested him! Insinuating that he must have been fucked up by that. Aaaaand Ronan was supposed to stay silent over that, because of 'free speech'? It's perverse.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:29 (four years ago) link

Journalists have an incredibly blinkered, bothsides-ist idea of "free speech". You say something - someone else says something 100% opposed to it - everyone has free speech! Yay!

but also fuck you (unperson), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:37 (four years ago) link

Never Believe Men

― brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, March 24, 2020 12:41 PM (one hour ago) bookmarkflaglink

we're through the looking glass here people

Pinche Cumbion Bien Loco (stevie), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:42 (four years ago) link

xp wait, what would a none "bothsides-ist" idea of free speech be?

soref, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:45 (four years ago) link

youre reading my intent correctly i'm sure xp

planning to rewatch Zelig this week

brooklyn suicide cult (Dr Morbius), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:46 (four years ago) link

I'm really not watching any Woody Allen now. But also after reading the Moses Farrow article last year I think I'll give Mia a miss too.
There are plenty of other films to watch and other books to read.

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:48 (four years ago) link

yeah, it's not like these are the first allegations against mia. the whole situation is sordid and confusing. better not to get involved

treeship., Tuesday, 24 March 2020 14:57 (four years ago) link

yeah I find people who express certainty about what happened in that family truly baffling

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:10 (four years ago) link

The thing is that one daughter claims Woody molested her, and nothing happens, we just don't know enough, separate art and artists.

Then one son says Mia was bad too, and she's dropped immediately, just can't stand it, the whole thing is too sordid to contemplate.

The hypocrisy and sexism is just so massive.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:52 (four years ago) link

Nobody has been dropped, not Woody, not Mia. Neither will be in financial trouble from this, whether they deserve to be or not. People make personal choices about what art to consume and support. What more should be reasonably expected?

Wuhan!! Got You All in Check (Camaraderie at Arms Length), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:57 (four years ago) link

nice strawman you got there Fred

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 15:58 (four years ago) link

I would honestly expect with the constant drumming of 'Woody Allen has never been convicted! We just don't know!' that there would have been some similar kind of reaction to the allegations against Mia. But I haven't seen it anywhere.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:02 (four years ago) link

Mia Farrow has never been convicted. We just don't know.

There we are.

coronoshebettadontvirus (Eric H.), Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link

probably bc no one takes the allegations against mia v seriously at all?

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:03 (four years ago) link

Apparantly Camaraderie and Treeship do?

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link

Fred needs to join a different drum circle

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:04 (four years ago) link

camaraderie tho says he's not watching allen stuff either. you can't mix and match opinions to get the strawman you want.

Mordy, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:05 (four years ago) link

my position is: there are a lot of insane allegations about what happened in the family, and there have been since the 90s. Neither Mia nor Woody has made anything worth watching in 20 years. These two things are not necessarily related. I do not care about what happens to either of them going forward.

Οὖτις, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link

I'm guessing Camarederie has watched a Woody Allen film in the last 25 years, though, but would be happy to be wrong

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:06 (four years ago) link

There was a decade long free pass for Woody, and after people in the end began turning on him, an article came out that made a lot of people turn on Mia in minutes.

Frederik B, Tuesday, 24 March 2020 16:11 (four years ago) link


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