Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

choppin down the ol cherry tree

brushing the old wooden tooth

More than a few posters ITT consider themselves socialists a good bit to the left of Sanders - for better or worse, liberals and socialists are not putative allies. It's nothing but temporary convenience because of how fucked up our country is.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:40 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well see though, kind of part of what I was trying to say is that our country is so fucked up that many of us are incapable of even seeing liberals and socialists as putative allies, i.e. people who may wildly disagree on a number of issues but who can still compromise and find areas of agreement and who, if they aren't more consumed with the self-righteous thrill of screaming in each other's faces, could take the time to see one another as people and learn from one another and collectively help forestall the rise of actual fascists and nazis and hate mongers.

Of course I'm all in favor of unity but I'm saying this stuff shouldn't be a surprise or even looked upon as harmful in a forum that doesn't matter like this. This isn't a socialist and a liberal screaming in public, undermining each other.

many of us are incapable of even seeing liberals and socialists as putative allies

tbf the former killed Rosa

And hopefully one day we can return the favor

And just ftr, disagreement (vehement and otherwise) is healthy af and necessary. I just see the delivery of disagreement becoming more and more of a rhetorical punch in the teeth and I can't help but wonder what purpose that tack serves beyond self-satisfaction among whichever faction is delivering the blow at that particular moment.

Berniebros return the favor every day, by a thousand cuts. xp

instead of Rosa, the entire Democratic Party

we'll compromise by setting "The Internationale" to the tune of "Fight Song."

oh how the mighty

I also apologize for misgendering latebloomer.

― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, March 6, 2020 4:46 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It’s ok. To be fair I haven’t been out as transgender on ILX all that long and I don’t post here as frequently as I used to so it’s easy to forget. Just have to remind people occasionally.

I do admittedly get a bit triggered sometimes when it feels as if someone might be lumping my angrier posts with “bro” alike, because it really does not come from that kind of place at all. My coming out as trans IRL cost me two longtime friendships (they were emphatically not cool with it) and that has kinda fucked up my ability to trust people. The heightened political climate only makes this worse and I tend to veer into paranoia and suspicion more than I ever did before. It’s something I need to work on.

Damn, Latebloomer, you are perennial cool af. I'm sorry your ex-friends don't recognize that.

co-sign

No worries latebloomer, emotions are running high with everyone I think. These are intense days

in tents daze

latebloomer I feel thankful for your post and can’t articulate why

Ty all

This stuff is so intimately tied in with my financial precarity and health problems and I feel that the immediacy of these material issues is all-too-often glossed over in political discussion and that contributes to the anger and resentment many people feel

probably because LB is and always has been a Good Poster and an animal xp

I thought snake emojis on twitter was something to do with promoting a Taylor Swift album

whatever ceiling exists for sanders has very little to do with extremely online shit like "mean bernie bros" and more about the perception the media has pushed that he's too risky in the general election compared to biden which appears to be the main factor behind biden's surge.

While Biden couldn't remember Obama's name today.

Reading through what happened in the thread overnight, and it's mostly the same discussion we've had a thousand times. But where did that whole 'snake emoji' thing come from, that was weird as fuck

It's the 2020 corncob

Fred - get off twitter, mate

lol and now you two are gonna scrap in here now after all that

I'm not, no

whatever ceiling exists for sanders has very little to do with extremely online shit like "mean bernie bros" and more about the perception the media has pushed that he's too risky in the general election compared to biden which appears to be the main factor behind biden's surge.

^^^^^

My primary concern is that Bernie will stick to the issues and not go for the jugular re Biden's electability

He's hitting him on trade/the rust belt, seems like the biggest electability concern he can go after since cognitive decline is off the table.

https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/486212-biden-opens-up-double-digit-lead-nationally-over-sanders-poll

A 24 point swing? Why are these polls so volatile?

If the chapo people and the branding of bernie as the candidate for anti-pc edgelords had something to do with this, then fuck them

Bernie’s a great candidate who left and right is being painted as some sort of firebrand. It’s completely against the spirit of his campaign which is oriented toward elevating the voices of struggling americans

If the chapo people and the branding of bernie as the candidate for anti-pc edgelords had something to do with this, then fuck them

there is no evidence of this. by and large the stuff we argue about in here is Online Only Discourse, at least compared to the other 10,000 more important things that are on fire

If the chapo people and the branding of bernie as the candidate for anti-pc edgelords had something to do with this, then fuck them

― treeship., Friday, 6 March 2020 10:35 PM (two minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

as i said that has really nothing to do with it, it's because biden winning south carolina + all the establishment endorsements made biden seem electable again after people were doubting his capability due to his previous poor performances (both in primaries and debates) and the media has been strongly pushing "biden is electable bernie isn't". that sudden shift right before super tuesday meant the sanders campaign didn't have time to react to biden suddenly being a major threat again, they got outmanoeuvred. they'd been softer than they really should have been on biden in the last few debates too due to bloomberg's presence taking up the spotlight etc.

I thought snakes were a Taylor Swift thing, too. Maybe that was the previous primary/album cycle.

Bernie’s a great candidate who left and right is being painted as some sort of firebrand. It’s completely against the spirit of his campaign which is oriented toward elevating the voices of struggling americans

I don't necessarily think it's strictly an anti Sanders media push, it's that in many ways his message (maybe thanks to many of his messengers) left the impression his brand *was* firebrand. That's where a lighter touch could have and maybe would help. Anyway, I saw this twitter thread that I thought was pretty interesting (maybe she's media biased, I can't tell anymore):

Some thoughts on what I’m seeing tonight...

There are offensive votes and defensive votes.

Many older black voters sacrificed by making defensive votes their entire lives in order to free up younger generations to be able to step out on faith and make more offensive votes.

— brittany packnett cunningham (@MsPackyetti) March 4, 2020

And re: stuff like "While Biden couldn't remember Obama's name today." Yeah, Biden is old. But he's the same fucking age as Sanders, and this kind of shit could happen to Sanders today, tomorrow, next week, in a year. That's why I want to see VP picks. I don't even know who Sanders would pick, but Biden seems to have a lot of good options.

Tipsy's post about Warren was great. We're so used to dysfunction, or the appearance of dysfunction, or the reporting of an appearance of dysfunction, that it's refreshing to hear stories of the system and/or people actually working, or doing work. My older daughter was recently in DC for an activist service trip, to learn how to lobby and/or work with congress, and the stories I got back stressed how responsive and respectful all the people she met with were. None of the primaries, no congressmen or senators, but their aides (to iirc Durbin and Danny Davis), who not only listened and offered advice, but to the one at the end encouraged a career in public service and at the least continued engagement with politics both local and national.

"Biden's brain is failing" is not going to be a winning attack line when that's true of many of his voters

And often all of us.

Sanders badly needs a win, endorsement, or some kind of announcement to signal that he's up for this fight and not just "the risky outsider", and if it's not going to be an assist from Warren I don't really know what it could be.

sadly otm

The long list of recent high-profile endorsements for Biden requires a counternarrative imho

You mean one that's not "he's a moron neo-con experiencing cognitive decline, and so are his supporters?"

...yes?

I'm not the fuckin Sanders head of comms man, I'm just an asshole on a message board

I think that's actually a job requirement

The gap btwn what ppl perceive as The Discourse of The Sanders Campaign and the actual things that are spoken at rallies etc is hilarious to me. I tuned into one of them a week or two ago and one of his openers was literally defining intersectionality.

lol why open with a joke?

I honestly haven't paid much attention to the Sanders campaign, mostly because it feels like he's been campaigning for seven years. Sanders fatigue? But I do know a couple of people who, as of several weeks ago, said they had supported and voted for him the last time around but not this time, so I have no idea what changed.

I really don't think a Warren endorsement could do that much to change the equation, she was polling at 7% in the last Michigan poll. Instead of focusing on her everyone needs to figure out other and better plans.

xpost (oh, btw, not saying defining intersectionality is a joke, I meant that opening with a joke is the public speaking standard, and he went with defining intersectionality!)