Your next 2020 Democratic presidential primary thread: Now we're serious

We need to get off this antagonistic tip with putative allies. It does nothing but balkanize, which does nothing but strengthen the legit villains.

A lot of mainstream Democrats are legit villains to a lot of Sanders supporters

Speaking of legit villains, actual Nazis crashed the Sanders rally tonight.

(rightfully so)

AOC gets it like usual.

that was an xp not to Nazis w/ Bernie

xxxpost they are! lots of people are abusive cocks in general to lots of people, including Bernie, and it shouldn't be tolerated wherever it comes from.

and there are Bernie supporters who get bullied too! I mean, nobody is saying that Bernie's army is 50 million thugs holding baseball bats and honking horns outside of peoples houses for hours. the only point is "hey this is a thing that is happening and it feels like you're saying nuh uh it isn't happening or it is happening but who cares that it is happening".

to be clear the "antagonism" I am referring to is things like friends or colleagues having their weight, appearance, disabilities, etc. mocked, or being DMed with racial slurs, all of which have happened

I don’t care about who you’re voting for tbh but I’ve seen so much handwringing about civility and decorum take up needless space in this race as if policy and class aren’t driving forces at all and that this is all about “fans” or stan or “bro” culture rather than differences that mean fucking life and death for people. I’m definitely not saying people should strive to be jerks but it sucks to see the constant erasure of genuine ideological and demographic fault lines

I mostly agree with the spirit of this and at the same time am of the belief that there need to be spaces and times where sympathizers of the movement/candidate (i.e., people concerned with the driving forces of "policy and class") can discuss issues of rhetoric (it goes way beyond "civility and decorum" imo). A movement is defined not only by what it cares about but also how it communicates, and how it organizes itself. Effective movements include at least some people who are interested in these things, even while keeping an eye on the prize.

We need to get off this antagonistic tip with putative allies.

More than a few posters ITT consider themselves socialists a good bit to the left of Sanders - for better or worse, liberals and socialists are not putative allies. It's nothing but temporary convenience because of how fucked up our country is.

xps nah you definitely told more than one of us to fuck off but I love you anyway and am happy to take a bullet for latebloomer if necessary

xp

Well if you're going to make even alliances of temporary convenience because of how fucked up our country is, constantly pissing on people who probably actually outnumber you is not going to help your cause. And if you're not going to help your cause, why bother going through any of the hassle of electoral politics?

You can be a revolutionary at home without having to worry about pledged delegates.

Nothing about ILX is going to help anyone's cause. You can't even find a freelance gig writing for an alt-weekly music section here anymore.

The sadness of which at least we can all agree on.

I apologize to anybody I told to fuck off, though I unfortunately lost count as to how many people that was

I also apologize for misgendering latebloomer.

I apologize to anybody I told to fuck off, though I unfortunately lost count as to how many people that was

new board description

You can be a revolutionary at home

new board description #2

now imagining George Washington masturbating

lol

choppin down the ol cherry tree

brushing the old wooden tooth

More than a few posters ITT consider themselves socialists a good bit to the left of Sanders - for better or worse, liberals and socialists are not putative allies. It's nothing but temporary convenience because of how fucked up our country is.

― Greta Van Show Feets BB (milo z), Thursday, March 5, 2020 10:40 PM (eight minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

Well see though, kind of part of what I was trying to say is that our country is so fucked up that many of us are incapable of even seeing liberals and socialists as putative allies, i.e. people who may wildly disagree on a number of issues but who can still compromise and find areas of agreement and who, if they aren't more consumed with the self-righteous thrill of screaming in each other's faces, could take the time to see one another as people and learn from one another and collectively help forestall the rise of actual fascists and nazis and hate mongers.

Of course I'm all in favor of unity but I'm saying this stuff shouldn't be a surprise or even looked upon as harmful in a forum that doesn't matter like this. This isn't a socialist and a liberal screaming in public, undermining each other.

many of us are incapable of even seeing liberals and socialists as putative allies

tbf the former killed Rosa

And hopefully one day we can return the favor

And just ftr, disagreement (vehement and otherwise) is healthy af and necessary. I just see the delivery of disagreement becoming more and more of a rhetorical punch in the teeth and I can't help but wonder what purpose that tack serves beyond self-satisfaction among whichever faction is delivering the blow at that particular moment.

Berniebros return the favor every day, by a thousand cuts. xp

instead of Rosa, the entire Democratic Party

we'll compromise by setting "The Internationale" to the tune of "Fight Song."

oh how the mighty

I also apologize for misgendering latebloomer.

― sorry for butt rockin (Neanderthal), Friday, March 6, 2020 4:46 AM (three minutes ago) bookmarkflaglink

It’s ok. To be fair I haven’t been out as transgender on ILX all that long and I don’t post here as frequently as I used to so it’s easy to forget. Just have to remind people occasionally.

I do admittedly get a bit triggered sometimes when it feels as if someone might be lumping my angrier posts with “bro” alike, because it really does not come from that kind of place at all. My coming out as trans IRL cost me two longtime friendships (they were emphatically not cool with it) and that has kinda fucked up my ability to trust people. The heightened political climate only makes this worse and I tend to veer into paranoia and suspicion more than I ever did before. It’s something I need to work on.

Damn, Latebloomer, you are perennial cool af. I'm sorry your ex-friends don't recognize that.

co-sign

No worries latebloomer, emotions are running high with everyone I think. These are intense days

in tents daze

latebloomer I feel thankful for your post and can’t articulate why

Ty all

This stuff is so intimately tied in with my financial precarity and health problems and I feel that the immediacy of these material issues is all-too-often glossed over in political discussion and that contributes to the anger and resentment many people feel

probably because LB is and always has been a Good Poster and an animal xp

I thought snake emojis on twitter was something to do with promoting a Taylor Swift album

whatever ceiling exists for sanders has very little to do with extremely online shit like "mean bernie bros" and more about the perception the media has pushed that he's too risky in the general election compared to biden which appears to be the main factor behind biden's surge.

While Biden couldn't remember Obama's name today.

Reading through what happened in the thread overnight, and it's mostly the same discussion we've had a thousand times. But where did that whole 'snake emoji' thing come from, that was weird as fuck

It's the 2020 corncob

Fred - get off twitter, mate

lol and now you two are gonna scrap in here now after all that

I'm not, no

whatever ceiling exists for sanders has very little to do with extremely online shit like "mean bernie bros" and more about the perception the media has pushed that he's too risky in the general election compared to biden which appears to be the main factor behind biden's surge.

^^^^^

My primary concern is that Bernie will stick to the issues and not go for the jugular re Biden's electability

He's hitting him on trade/the rust belt, seems like the biggest electability concern he can go after since cognitive decline is off the table.